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[Lordo]

now i know there is a lot of myth being banded about but there are secrtin things our youngans are cluless.

what would be nice is to go back to 1950 when the problem begun and establish how things developed.

two things need to be establish.
1. what was the gcs mission they wanted to achieve
2. what was their strategy in tring to achive it.

these are very important aspects of the cyprus problem and i have a feeling very few people are fully aware of the facts.

start from 1955 and work your way upto today and see how things developed.

can any gc here tell us what was mission on 1955 and what strategy were they going to use to achive them. lets see who knows what exactly.

discuss.

1955 .............

[B25]

Why start there, you should start from where the original problem begun in 1571 you stupid MF.

You fucking Turks have caused all of the Cyprus problem period. Thats the whole crucks of it.

Now F.O. and leave us peace loving Cypriots alone.

[Maximus]

In 1955, plonkers like bordo should have been repatriated to turkey.

Like many of the ottomans that were still in Cyprus before her independence.

The rest that remained on the island could have peacefully gone to turkey too.

Then there would not have been a “Cyprus problem”.

B25 has correctly stated, Cyprus problem began in 1571.

(Don’t ignore the tc’s mission, which was to keep Cyprus and Cypriots under some form of colonial rule. Back then, they were ottomans / Turks. Today, they still demonstrate that they want to be a part of turkey, but in Cyprus. They still want Cypriots to be under some form of Turkish / ottoman colonial rule with every failed “peace plan” they try to impose. )

[repulsewarrior]

...1963, i can discuss, from the eyes of a young boy. While you like to paint a picture of "Greeks" and "Turks", this was not the case in our village.

"They" existed, "we", calls us Cypriots, feared "them".

...in the cafe where my grandfather drank his coffee, beside the photo of the Commonwealth Members, Makarios sitting directly beside the Queen, a map of the world, and a map of Cyprus, was a photo of Kucuk. While our elders did not discuss politics in front of us as children, the photo, still hanging there even in '74, says a lot about a community which sustained itself through cooperation (over centuries).

...why deny mad extremes divided us with their hate? "this" must stop, "be" Cypriot.

[Lordo]

come now rw i am not asking a lot. 1955 eoka started the struggle. the questions are real easy.
1. what was their objective
2. what startegy did they have assuming that they actually had one.

you don't have to have been born to know that bit of information. this for our ignorant youngans who are completely in the dark about these things and have believed years of bullshit put in front of them which in effect made them grow in the shape of a mushroom.

let me tell you what i know about 1955 and see if i got right.

in 1955 the objective was enosis dressed up as self determination thinking they will fool everybody into believing what they said.
strategy was kill bridish soldiers and civilians and get gcs to stop working for the bridish and anybody who did not heed the advice to be either killed or driven from cyprus.

there were a few tcs who also fought against the british at this time but their objective was different. they were worried that the bridish would agree and allow enosis with greece so they were demonstrating against the bridish.

don't worry we shall get to 63 and beyond.

am i right or am i right?

[repulsewarrior]

...what i know is this.

While visiting a friend at the airport radio shack, shots were fired at them randomly by British troops for no good reason. This disappointed him greatly, admiring the British soldiers for their discipline, so he went to complain to the Commanding officer and was dismissed.

...this, according to his brother was the incident where he decided that something had to be done.

[repulsewarrior]

...what i know is this.

While visiting a friend at the airport radio shack, shots were fired at them randomly by British troops for no good reason. This disappointed him greatly, admiring the British soldiers for their discipline, so he went to complain to the Commanding officer and was dismissed.

...this, according to his brother was the incident where he decided that something had to be done.

...Grivas, i mean.

[Lordo]

so what were they fighting for?

[Maximus]

The struggle didn’t start in 1955, it started long before that.

Ottoman troops invaded Cyprus in 1570. The island was plundered and tens of thousands were massacred. The ottomans were lost or stolen people assimilated in to an empire, which was a “migrating barbarian horde.”

In 1571, Cyprus was annexed to The Ottoman Empire from the Byzantine empire and thousands of ottomans were transplanted to the island to oppress the Greeks and keep them under control..

Fast forward some years, It was a dark period until 1821, then Greece attempted a war of independence from the ottomans. This resulted in further massacres and looting by the ottomans in Cyprus.

In 1833, the Greeks in Cyprus rebelled, and attempted enosis (union) with Greece. This was brutally suppressed.

In 1914, Britain annexes Cyprus from the Ottoman Empire. Many ottomans leave the island.

In 1915 , Britain offer Cyprus to Greece on condition she joins the World War 1 on the allies side. Greece refused these conditions.

1923, turkey renounces all claims to Cyprus and people’s and property outside of the borders of the Turkish state. In other words, the former ottoman lands that where stolen from other civilizations.

1931 there were pro enosis riots in Nicosia,

Fast forward some years and Britain looks in to allowing partial self rule for the Greek Cypriots. This was rejected and countered with full self rule. Which was denied.

In 1950, makarios shows the results of a referendum where 96% of Greeks, the majority of inhabitants of the island prefer enosis with Greece. This was denied by the colonial administration in Cyprus.

1954, grivas secretly comes to the island to organize the liberation struggle against the colonial British rule and to achieve enosis with Greece.

1960 - pseudo independence and partial self rule was forced with some of the former ottoman inhabitants that remained on the island.

1963 - a civil war erupts on the island.

1974 - a brutal Turkish invasion where thousands were massacred, and the northern third of Cyprus was plundered and ethnically cleansed of Greek Cypriots.

To the present day- a few hundred thousand Turks have been transplanted to occupied northern Cyprus, to suppress and oppress the Greek Cypriots. to try and control them and drag them (and themselves) back to partial self rule.

[repulsewarrior]

so what were they fighting for?

...to end their subjugation.

If the British officer Grivas had complained to, had taken him seriously, if he would have made the effort to review the incident, and to assure himself that his soldiers were disciplined, one way or another, there would have been no animosity. That is what Grivas wanted. And, according to his brother, he admired the British military so much, the notion of the Rule of Law, what they stood for, that this rebuke turned him against these troops, and thus their occupation against Greek Cypriots.

Indeed, he fought for himself, and being Greek other Greeks joined him in their common cause. (The rest is History.)