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[Paphitis]

Gee! Flying over Moreton Bay on approach into Brisbane saw an epic naval build up you would think we have WW3.

Also, pretty much flew over the USS Ronald Reagan accompanied by about 20 or so American and Australian warships and 2 Collins Class submarines.

Also all the US Military Aircraft flying all over the place. RAAF Amberley, is full and Brisbane International taking the overflow in US Military Aircraft. Everything is here including F-35s and F-22s.

Also a lot of Australian F-18, F-18F Super Hornet and EW-18G aircraft that we picked up on our TCAS doing speeds that must have been supersonic. I think our boys are earning there money today.

About 10 USAF L-1011 Tankers in Brisbane as well.

Checked the news and China announced naval war games near Brisbane so the Australians and Americans have issued NOTAMs about their own war games right next to them.

I’ve never seen such a big huge build up since the Timor War. It’s friggin impressive. More fire power in the one spot to fight a world war. I’m actually amazed at what the Yanks do for us.

[Paphitis]

Last night one of Australia’s Top military analysts was interviewed in Q&A.

He is a professor at The Australian National University in Canberra. For those who do not know, this is Australia’s top ranking university. It’s Australia’s Oxford. It’s in the top 20 in the world.

He said Australia now needs to consider attaining a Nuclear Ballistic Capability, similar to the British and French model meaning that the nukes should be submarine launched nukes as a deterrent, because of China’s increased influence. I think he is right.

Australia has always relied on Britain up to WW2 and the USA from WW2 to present day. The Yanks are not going to be there forever.

I think it’s time to go Nuclear. Sorry folks but we are a country of 26 million and we need the deterrence. I don’t want Australia to ever use them but they can be there just to send that big “f” off message to anyone who gets strange ideas.

Australia is starting to become quite boisterous and it is a very rich country with great influence and it occasionally does flex some muscle against Pootin and the Chinks, and both have sent naval armadas our way so I think it’s time we bit the bullet and procured about 100 Ballistic Nukes to house on our 12 Barricuda Submarines.

[Kikapu]

Australia (the continent) is way to big for anyone to think they can invade and occupy, so where is the need to have nukes for deterrent. USA has about 5,000 of them and Russia about the same. What has been the use having them other than just having them? If anyone should have them that would make sense, it is the small countries like Cyprus against neighbourhood bullies. That is why Israel has them. Australia should put it’s money into something else that would be more beneficial for the country and it’s citizens.

[Paphitis]

Australia (the continent) is way to big for anyone to think they can invade and occupy, so where is the need to have nukes for deterrent. USA has about 5,000 of them and Russia about the same. What has been the use having them other than just having them? If anyone should have them that would make sense, it is the small countries like Cyprus against neighbourhood bullies. That is why Israel has them. Australia should put it’s money into something else that would be more beneficial for the country and it’s citizens.

Yes agreed. Australia can’t be taken over easily. It’s too big.

But we can be attacked and we are vulnerable to attack and there is potential for a foreign power to take over a small part like let’s say Darwin. Where they go from there is probable a highway to hell as the Australian and US military will just try to lull them inland or smash them with constant Air Strikes.

The Australians have what they call the Brisbane Line in case of invasion.

It’s evident to me that Australia is playing a bigger role in the region with Japan and Singapore. Because of that, we can be pushed around by China and Russia flexing their muscle so we need to have the nukes in case these rogues get any stupid ideas.

We just need to be able to turn around to these bastards and tell them that if they destroy us, we will ensure your mutual destruction and obliteration as well.

So don’t mess with us.

[Humanist1]

Well Australia can be invaded by we can shoot them down on their return for refilling.

Yes I agree Australia can put it’s money into education and assisting refugees to resettle in it’s shores

[Lordo]

Australia (the continent) is way to big for anyone to think they can invade and occupy, so where is the need to have nukes for deterrent. USA has about 5,000 of them and Russia about the same. What has been the use having them other than just having them? If anyone should have them that would make sense, it is the small countries like Cyprus against neighbourhood bullies. That is why Israel has them. Australia should put it’s money into something else that would be more beneficial for the country and it’s citizens.

Yes agreed. Australia can’t be taken over easily. It’s too big.

But we can be attacked and we are vulnerable to attack and there is potential for a foreign power to take over a small part like let’s say Darwin. Where they go from there is probable a highway to hell as the Australian and US military will just try to lull them inland or smash them with constant Air Strikes.

The Australians have what they call the Brisbane Line in case of invasion.

It’s evident to me that Australia is playing a bigger role in the region with Japan and Singapore. Because of that, we can be pushed around by China and Russia flexing their muscle so we need to have the nukes in case these rogues get any stupid ideas.

We just need to be able to turn around to these bastards and tell them that if they destroy us, we will ensure your mutual destruction and obliteration as well.

So don’t mess with us.

your stupidity is beyond belief. you have:

8.75 warplanes
12.25 tanks
60.25 soldiers

you is just one fearsome military to be reckoned with. no wonder you oblitirated the native australians.

[Paphitis]

Well Australia can be invaded by we can shoot them down on their return for refilling.

Yes I agree Australia can put it’s money into education and assisting refugees to resettle in it’s shores

Australia is already one of the biggest investors into education and its system is failing.

And no, we don't want any ghettos in Sydney and Melbourne.

Otherwise I'm friggin leaving! Once a country loses its identity, then it's OVER!

[Paphitis]

Australia (the continent) is way to big for anyone to think they can invade and occupy, so where is the need to have nukes for deterrent. USA has about 5,000 of them and Russia about the same. What has been the use having them other than just having them? If anyone should have them that would make sense, it is the small countries like Cyprus against neighbourhood bullies. That is why Israel has them. Australia should put it’s money into something else that would be more beneficial for the country and it’s citizens.

Yes agreed. Australia can’t be taken over easily. It’s too big.

But we can be attacked and we are vulnerable to attack and there is potential for a foreign power to take over a small part like let’s say Darwin. Where they go from there is probable a highway to hell as the Australian and US military will just try to lull them inland or smash them with constant Air Strikes.

The Australians have what they call the Brisbane Line in case of invasion.

It’s evident to me that Australia is playing a bigger role in the region with Japan and Singapore. Because of that, we can be pushed around by China and Russia flexing their muscle so we need to have the nukes in case these rogues get any stupid ideas.

We just need to be able to turn around to these bastards and tell them that if they destroy us, we will ensure your mutual destruction and obliteration as well.

So don’t mess with us.

your stupidity is beyond belief. you have:

8.75 warplanes
12.25 tanks
60.25 soldiers

you is just one fearsome military to be reckoned with. no wonder you oblitirated the native australians.

It's not the number of soldiers. I think Australia already knows it doesn't have the population which is why it invests in equipment and other technologies which allow it to project power on the other side of the world. it's not going to fight a war of attrition.

That is why we invest in Drones, Aircraft Carriers and Landing Ships, Destroyers, Submarines, Poseidon's and AEW aircraft.

We do not require Tanks. Our Army is more mobile and mechanized to move fast into position, attack, then retreat. Our Defence Policy and posture is formulated for our huge continent and our conditions. So Tanks are no good to us. Special Forces, Ships, Submarines, Aircraft carriers, AEW Aircraft, Fighters, Bombers, Drones, Transport and Logistics, Cruise Missiles and yes, ICBM is exactly what Australia needs. And this is where our money goes to. If someone invades Australia with Tanks, their life expectancy should be about 10 minutes before some American A-10 tank buster comes along.

It's also another reason why it invests heavily into its alliance with the USA.

Right now, the USA is Australia's very big brother and they have 50,000 Troops here as well. Right now, they got enough firepower to turn all of Asia to glass in Australia. It really is jaw dropping. I had another look at the USS Ronald Reagan. It has been joined by more USS Naval Ships and the HMAS Canberra has also arrived which is another Aircraft Carrier. USS Ronald Reagan makes the HMAS Canberra look small and that isn't a small ship at all.

More military planes are being positioned and there are some submarines as well.

They are waiting for the Chinese and then I think they are gonna go and have some fun with them. I just don't know how the Chinese are going to be able to have their exercise because it looks like the USA and Australia and going to fuck with them big time and interfere with their activities.

But having said that, no I don't believe nukes is a dumb idea. I think it is only logical way. yes we know all the arguments against including the arms race argument, but what we are seeing is an increasingly volatile situation with both Russia and China and they literally can't be trusted. So whilst Indonesia may also procure a Nuclear capability, Australia will need to face up to the reality that as the years go by, the USA may not be in a position to support us and as a result, Australia needs to develop its own Nuclear Capability as a deterrence alone. It's just to send a clear message to both the Chinese and Russians, not that we ever intend on using them.

Australia has vital trade routes to keep open and whilst we trade with China, we can not trust them. Russia and China are still totalitarian regimes.

What Russia and China are doing to Australia is forcing Australia's hand anyway so Japan and Australia do require to rethink their policies. Japan must now change their Constitution as well. We are in this together. Whilst China will definitely big a big player, this isn't the country we can rely on in principle. There will always be an element of mistrust.

Plus there are other players now like North Korea and Iran, and because Australia is so isolated and in the Asia Pacific region, we have to evolve and change our policy. Australia is actually trying to get the French Military in Australia too, and house their Nuclear Submarines and hedging their bets.

[Maximus]

It's just to send a clear message to both the Chinese and Russians, not that we ever intend on using them.

Nukes you never intend to use are useless.

No point in having them if you never intend to use them and using them on the kind of people you are talking about kind of assures your own annihilation too.

That just about sums it all up.....

[Paphitis]

It's just to send a clear message to both the Chinese and Russians, not that we ever intend on using them.

Nukes you never intend to use are useless.

No point in having them if you never intend to use them and using them on the kind of people you are talking about kind of assures your own annihilation too.

That just about sums it all up.....

I think the Americans and Russians hopefully don't intend to use them either.

No one wants to use them although we can't be sure about some countries...

They are however, still very useful. Extremely useful. They have a purpose. It's called Deterrence. It's probably the only weapon that has saved the world from many wars and paid themselves over 1000 times.