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Re: East Med Bill passes

Postby Kikapu » Sat Jun 29, 2019 11:11 pm

Maximus wrote:
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Maximus wrote:Endogan might think that the s400’s neutralize Egypt’s, Israel’s and Greece’s ( and the eu and the us) Air Force operating over the med.

Some low altitude cruise missiles could take it out though.


It may well neutralize some countries, but if Turkey’s S-400s should shoot down an American plane down, the S-400 missile sites will be leveled by cruise missiles launched from the American subs in the Mediterranean.


I didn’t think one s400 battery would change much.

It’s not an integrated, multi SAM system.

I think it’s unrealistic for one battery to neutralize the air force of multiple countries with sophisticated capabilities of their own.

Other than the US, who else has cruise missiles that can be launched from subs to take out the missiles site?
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Re: East Med Bill passes

Postby Maximus » Sat Jun 29, 2019 11:30 pm

Kikapu wrote:
Maximus wrote:
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Maximus wrote:Endogan might think that the s400’s neutralize Egypt’s, Israel’s and Greece’s ( and the eu and the us) Air Force operating over the med.

Some low altitude cruise missiles could take it out though.


It may well neutralize some countries, but if Turkey’s S-400s should shoot down an American plane down, the S-400 missile sites will be leveled by cruise missiles launched from the American subs in the Mediterranean.


I didn’t think one s400 battery would change much.

It’s not an integrated, multi SAM system.

I think it’s unrealistic for one battery to neutralize the air force of multiple countries with sophisticated capabilities of their own.

Other than the US, who else has cruise missiles that can be launched from subs to take out the missiles site?


I’m not sure about this, but I would assume cruise missiles could be launched from low flying air craft or even some vessel too.

Greece has enough cruise missiles and I wouldn’t put it past the Israelis to have a bunch too.
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Re: East Med Bill passes

Postby Humanist1 » Sat Jun 29, 2019 11:57 pm

I think I agree with lordo!! I'll have to see it t believe it
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Re: East Med Bill passes

Postby Kikapu » Sun Jun 30, 2019 12:18 am

Maximus wrote:
Kikapu wrote:
Maximus wrote:
Kikapu wrote:
Maximus wrote:Endogan might think that the s400’s neutralize Egypt’s, Israel’s and Greece’s ( and the eu and the us) Air Force operating over the med.

Some low altitude cruise missiles could take it out though.


It may well neutralize some countries, but if Turkey’s S-400s should shoot down an American plane down, the S-400 missile sites will be leveled by cruise missiles launched from the American subs in the Mediterranean.


I didn’t think one s400 battery would change much.

It’s not an integrated, multi SAM system.

I think it’s unrealistic for one battery to neutralize the air force of multiple countries with sophisticated capabilities of their own.

Other than the US, who else has cruise missiles that can be launched from subs to take out the missiles site?


I’m not sure about this, but I would assume cruise missiles could be launched from low flying air craft or even some vessel too.

Greece has enough cruise missiles and I wouldn’t put it past the Israelis to have a bunch too.

I mentioned the sub as a launching pad for cruise missiles, so that the sub can be close to Turkey’s shores so that it wouldn’t take to long for the cruise missiles to travel in order to destroy the S-400 sites in Turkey once they have been detected after they had fired on American planes.
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Re: East Med Bill passes

Postby Maximus » Sun Jun 30, 2019 12:42 am

I thought the point of using cruise missiles was because they would fly at a lower altitude than the s400’s effective range.

Making them harder to detect.
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Re: East Med Bill passes

Postby Londonrake » Sun Jun 30, 2019 8:45 am

Maximus wrote:Other than the US, who else has cruise missiles that can be launched from subs to take out the missiles site?


Lots. Including Iran, believe it or not.

The Israeli’s are called “Popeye”. :lol:
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Re: East Med Bill passes

Postby Kikapu » Sun Jun 30, 2019 10:01 am

Maximus wrote:I thought the point of using cruise missiles was because they would fly at a lower altitude than the s400’s effective range.

Making them harder to detect.


precisely!
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Re: East Med Bill passes

Postby Cap » Sun Jun 30, 2019 6:15 pm

Quick giggle from social media..

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Re: East Med Bill passes

Postby repulsewarrior » Mon Jul 01, 2019 1:09 am

...now that Erdogan is crowing about the agreement he has allegedly made at the G20 with Trump, that there will be no sanctions regarding the S-400s, we will see a greater anti American rhetoric, if it results in his thinking, he was betrayed,

https://cyprus-mail.com/2019/06/29/trum ... s-400-buy/
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Re: East Med Bill passes

Postby repulsewarrior » Mon Jul 01, 2019 1:20 am

Cyprus says not to stop providing docking facilities to Russian ships

NICOSIA, June 29 (Xinhua) -- Cyprus will continue providing docking facilities to warships from Russia or other countries despite a United States bill making the lifting of an arms embargo on the eastern Mediterranean island conditional on ending this practice, Defence Minister Savvas Angelides said on Saturday.

"No country can impose on Cyprus an obligation to stop providing facilities to Russian or other ships," Angelides told state radio.

He was commenting on a last minute amendment in a Bill passed earlier this week by the U.S. Senate, which made the lifting of the decades-long American arms embargo on Cyprus conditional on the termination of docking facilities for Russian ships.

Cypriot President Nicos Anastasiades has expressed his displeasure at the amendment, saying it was an "unfortunate" move.

Angelides said that for the moment no issue has come before the government in relation to the docking of Russian ships, adding that when a dilemma is raised it will make its decisions.

He also said that Cyprus has been providing facilities to third countries up to now, mostly for humanitarian reasons.

Angelides said that Cyprus has an obligation to provide humanitarian help, noting that the island has never cooperated with any other country for military purposes.

The minister said Cyprus will continue its efforts to further improve relations with the United States, but stressed that the role of Cyprus as a pillar of stability in the region must be respected.

Beyond hosting Russian warships, Cyprus has been providing facilities to vessels of other countries, such as France and Germany, which are taking part in UN peace keeping operations in the region.

It has also hosted ships from other countries, including China, which took part in the operation for the removal of chemical weapons from Syria.

http://www.xinhuanet.com/english/2019-0 ... 184901.htm
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