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[miltiades]

Do you think we are likely to have ....another peasants revolution ??

[cyprusgrump]

lets see how many intelligent fools there are here.

please somebody explain how boris or hunt will ever be able brexit if the current set up in parliament does not change.

explain how either will get all their mps vote for it when likes of ken clark and dominic greave has declared that they willing to bring the government down if either attemt a no deal brexit. they will only have about 4 majority with the dup. even allowing for the few labour mps that may vote for it, about 12 tory mps will be enough to bring this government down.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-48742881

do the maths and somebody explain how?

come on mr you are an intelligent man, explain.

I don't want to get embroiled in my zillionth "debate" on this subject. CG's right in the respect that it's just the same ole, same ole going around and around. It tends to boil down to Remainers wanting somebody to angrily rant at. After 3 years I've pretty much had enough and - although my use of Anglo Saxon adjectives is very rare - they can fuck off and rant at somebody else. (You can tell that I'm a lower working class idiot).

Nevertheless, I think that parliament's invoking Article 50 - and the acceptance of it's clear implications - was primary legislation. Incidentally, the vote to do that was 334/85 in favour. AFAIU, it takes similar legislation to revoke. The bottom line is that the (latest) default position is if nothing changes the UK will leave the EU on 31st October automatically, as a matter of UK law.

FWIW. Personally I don't believe that Boris will honour his promises. I have no trust at all in either of the UK's main political parties. They are both serial liars and I suspect they will reap the whirlwind for it.

There's always the prorogation of parliament option as well.

I just wonder. If the UK ended up staying in the EU does anybody really think that over 17 million very angry people are going to shrug their shoulders and say "Fair enough. At least we gave it a try". The truth of course is that the genie is out of the bottle and this is an issue that is never going to go away.

Perfectly explained!

[Londonrake]

"Peasant (noun)

An ignorant, rude, or unsophisticated person."

What I think is the reason for all of this in the first place - UKIP's rise to the point where they took over 4 million votes at the 2015 GE and won 24 of the UK's MEP slots - will pale into insignificance.

If the Tories don't deliver a meaningful Brexit - and not some travesty, like May's con - they'll be toast at the next GE. Given that, it's entirely possible the UK will end up with a Corbyn government by default. In which case, you ain't seen nuffin' yet and all the people who've been bitching endlessly about Brexit over the past 3 years will suffer the (what to me is) obvious unintended consequence.

TBH - having put up with a lot of insulting shit since June 2016 - I can't wait.

Just sayin'

[Jerry]

lets see how many intelligent fools there are here.

please somebody explain how boris or hunt will ever be able brexit if the current set up in parliament does not change.

explain how either will get all their mps vote for it when likes of ken clark and dominic greave has declared that they willing to bring the government down if either attemt a no deal brexit. they will only have about 4 majority with the dup. even allowing for the few labour mps that may vote for it, about 12 tory mps will be enough to bring this government down.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-48742881

do the maths and somebody explain how?

come on mr you are an intelligent man, explain.

I don't want to get embroiled in my zillionth "debate" on this subject. CG's right in the respect that it's just the same ole, same ole going around and around. It tends to boil down to Remainers wanting somebody to angrily rant at. After 3 years I've pretty much had enough and - although my use of Anglo Saxon adjectives is very rare - they can fuck off and rant at somebody else. (You can tell that I'm a lower working class idiot).

Nevertheless, I think that parliament's invoking Article 50 - and the acceptance of it's clear implications - was primary legislation. Incidentally, the vote to do that was 334/85 in favour. AFAIU, it takes similar legislation to revoke. The bottom line is that the (latest) default position is if nothing changes the UK will leave the EU on 31st October automatically, as a matter of UK law.

FWIW. Personally I don't believe that Boris will honour his promises. I have no trust at all in either of the UK's main political parties. They are both serial liars and I suspect they will reap the whirlwind for it.

There's always the prorogation of parliament option as well.

I just wonder. If the UK ended up staying in the EU does anybody really think that over 17 million very angry people are going to shrug their shoulders and say "Fair enough. At least we gave it a try". The truth of course is that the genie is out of the bottle and this is an issue that is never going to go away.

Without ratification of the referendum by the people one side or the other will always claim they were cheated, one side will always be angry. After three years of lies and Parliamentary balls ups we should be allowed to settle this matter once and for all. Leavers keep on about "democracy" and the people have already decided - same old arguments, same old trite phrases; they can't accept that voters may have changed their minds and they are too scared to put it to the test.

Why stay in the EU? Simple answer - It's the economy ,stupid
BTW, EU has just signed a trade deal with South American bloc

[cyprusgrump]

"Peasant (noun)

An ignorant, rude, or unsophisticated person."

What I think is the reason for all of this in the first place - UKIP's rise to the point where they took over 4 million votes at the 2015 GE and won 24 of the UK's MEP slots - will pale into insignificance.

If the Tories don't deliver a meaningful Brexit - and not some travesty, like May's con - they'll be toast at the next GE. Given that, it's entirely possible the UK will end up with a Corbyn government by default. In which case, you ain't seen nuffin' yet and all the people who've been bitching endlessly about Brexit over the past 3 years will suffer the (what to me is) obvious unintended consequence.

TBH - having put up with a lot of insulting shit since June 2016 - I can't wait.

Just sayin'

Perfectly explained!

[cyprusgrump]

lets see how many intelligent fools there are here.

please somebody explain how boris or hunt will ever be able brexit if the current set up in parliament does not change.

explain how either will get all their mps vote for it when likes of ken clark and dominic greave has declared that they willing to bring the government down if either attemt a no deal brexit. they will only have about 4 majority with the dup. even allowing for the few labour mps that may vote for it, about 12 tory mps will be enough to bring this government down.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-48742881

do the maths and somebody explain how?

come on mr you are an intelligent man, explain.

I don't want to get embroiled in my zillionth "debate" on this subject. CG's right in the respect that it's just the same ole, same ole going around and around. It tends to boil down to Remainers wanting somebody to angrily rant at. After 3 years I've pretty much had enough and - although my use of Anglo Saxon adjectives is very rare - they can fuck off and rant at somebody else. (You can tell that I'm a lower working class idiot).

Nevertheless, I think that parliament's invoking Article 50 - and the acceptance of it's clear implications - was primary legislation. Incidentally, the vote to do that was 334/85 in favour. AFAIU, it takes similar legislation to revoke. The bottom line is that the (latest) default position is if nothing changes the UK will leave the EU on 31st October automatically, as a matter of UK law.

FWIW. Personally I don't believe that Boris will honour his promises. I have no trust at all in either of the UK's main political parties. They are both serial liars and I suspect they will reap the whirlwind for it.

There's always the prorogation of parliament option as well.

I just wonder. If the UK ended up staying in the EU does anybody really think that over 17 million very angry people are going to shrug their shoulders and say "Fair enough. At least we gave it a try". The truth of course is that the genie is out of the bottle and this is an issue that is never going to go away.

Without ratification of the referendum by the people one side or the other will always claim they were cheated, one side will always be angry. After three years of lies and Parliamentary balls ups we should be allowed to settle this matter once and for all. Leavers keep on about "democracy" and the people have already decided - same old arguments, same old trite phrases; they can't accept that voters may have changed their minds and they are too scared to put it to the test.

Why stay in the EU? Simple answer - It's the economy ,stupid
BTW, EU has just signed a trade deal with South American bloc

Excellent!

So every time there is a General Election and my side lose we can have a 'Ratification Vote' and keep voting until my side win...?

Because without ratification of the General Election by the people one side or the other will always claim they were cheated, one side will always be angry.

See how it works now...?

[Lordo]

lets see how many intelligent fools there are here.

please somebody explain how boris or hunt will ever be able brexit if the current set up in parliament does not change.

explain how either will get all their mps vote for it when likes of ken clark and dominic greave has declared that they willing to bring the government down if either attemt a no deal brexit. they will only have about 4 majority with the dup. even allowing for the few labour mps that may vote for it, about 12 tory mps will be enough to bring this government down.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-48742881

do the maths and somebody explain how?

come on mr you are an intelligent man, explain.

I don't want to get embroiled in my zillionth "debate" on this subject. CG's right in the respect that it's just the same ole, same ole going around and around. It tends to boil down to Remainers wanting somebody to angrily rant at. After 3 years I've pretty much had enough and - although my use of Anglo Saxon adjectives is very rare - they can fuck off and rant at somebody else. (You can tell that I'm a lower working class idiot).

Nevertheless, I think that parliament's invoking Article 50 - and the acceptance of it's clear implications - was primary legislation. Incidentally, the vote to do that was 334/85 in favour. AFAIU, it takes similar legislation to revoke. The bottom line is that the (latest) default position is if nothing changes the UK will leave the EU on 31st October automatically, as a matter of UK law.

FWIW. Personally I don't believe that Boris will honour his promises. I have no trust at all in either of the UK's main political parties. They are both serial liars and I suspect they will reap the whirlwind for it.

There's always the prorogation of parliament option as well.

I just wonder. If the UK ended up staying in the EU does anybody really think that over 17 million very angry people are going to shrug their shoulders and say "Fair enough. At least we gave it a try". The truth of course is that the genie is out of the bottle and this is an issue that is never going to go away.

so what you are saying is that if we are heading towards no-deal brexit tory mps will go for it and not vote against the government to bring it down. but as you know we have already had two times to do this and government lost its nerve as they suspect they will be brought down. ironically of course kant was a remainer and bo jo was neither, he had two speaches written one for each side and he chose what he thought was best for him in the last moment.

they are both gutless and cluless. as to what 17 million felt, same as the 16 million were feeling after the vote. the plus side of course is that quite a few of the brexiters have died since and a couple of million new voters have joined the electoral register.

that makes a very interesting times.

[miltiades]

Can any of you " leavers" tell me why is our pound against the euro losing so much ground ? Could it perhaps be due to Brexit ? Is our economy destined to thrive or collapse ?
Well, at least we will have our ... country back !! What a load of shit. The EU will continue to thrive so will the mighty euro, will the pound ever recover? Will inflation rise, will food prices go up, what about wages, will they rise in line with inflation ? To the Fuckrage and Clown followers it doesn't matter just as long as they have their country back !! What a load of absolute ...Plonkers.

[Londonrake]

Without ratification of the referendum by the people one side or the other will always claim they were cheated, one side will always be angry. After three years of lies and Parliamentary balls ups we should be allowed to settle this matter once and for all. Leavers keep on about "democracy" and the people have already decided - same old arguments, same old trite phrases; they can't accept that voters may have changed their minds and they are too scared to put it to the test.

Why stay in the EU? Simple answer - It's the economy ,stupid
BTW, EU has just signed a trade deal with South American bloc

Look Mate, you sound like a nice person - not at all one of us low-lifes - albeit you're obviously a bit agitated.

This issue was decided on 23rd June 2016. There is no "ratification," anymore than in any other important national vote.

I've spent enough time "debating" with people like you over the past 3 years to appreciate what a total waste of time it is. It amounts basically to a form of Troll feeding. I've no idea what your situation is but can say that I have had the same angrygrams from people that I absolutely know couldn't even be assed to vote in the referendum. Although, I'm sure you did.

Neither of us can make a blind bit of difference to the outcome of all this. We just have to sit out events. So, why don't we get some popcorn and do just that?

[cyprusgrump]

...the plus side of course is that quite a few of the brexiters have died since and a couple of million new voters have joined the electoral register.

And of course an equivalent number of middle-aged remainers will have grown up into old, doddery Brexiteers at the same time... Something you Remainers seem to conveniently overlook!