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[erolz66]

This is usually what the outcome is in countries that have a left or socialist or communist government for a prolonged period of time. They print and or spend or give money away “like it’s nothing” and over time, destroy wealth.

Not sure how long a 'prolonged period of time' is in your book. Nor does one swallow a summer make.

https://www.ips-journal.eu/regions/euro ... tory-3339/

[Maximus]

This is usually what the outcome is in countries that have a left or socialist or communist government for a prolonged period of time. They print and or spend or give money away “like it’s nothing” and over time, destroy wealth.

Not sure how long a 'prolonged period of time' is in your book. Nor does one swallow a summer make.

https://www.ips-journal.eu/regions/euro ... tory-3339/

One term is definitely not and Communism and socialism is generally not synonymous with wealth creation.

Yes, they create jobs and help the people out. That costs money.

[Londonrake]

Portugal is of course a member of the Eurozone and thus doesn't have the capability to print money. So, I'm not sure what your point is. Other than the fact some socialist governments are more successful than others that is.

Corbyn and Mcdonnell are outright Marxists and have an entirely different plan. Although, as I suggested, under the watchful eye of Brussels it wouldn't be allowed to happen.

The Brecon by election clearly showed one thing today. Vote Farage and you get Swinson. In a General Election for Swinson read Corbyn perhaps.

[Maximus]

Portugal is of course a member of the Eurozone and thus doesn't have the capability to print money. So, I'm not sure what your point is. Other than the fact some socialist governments are more successful than others that is.

Corbyn and Mcdonnell are outright Marxists and have an entirely different plan. Although, as I suggested, under the watchful eye of Brussels it wouldn't be allowed to happen.

The Brecon by election clearly showed one thing today. Vote Farage and you get Swinson. In a General Election for Swinson read Corbyn perhaps.

His point is that they are doing well. For now.....

But here is the caveat,

is now frequently cited as a shining counterexample to the general crisis of European social democracy.

There are many other examples of social democracy creating crisis and all socialist, communists, marxists, et el believe that their ideology works but it’s just the way it was implemented by others in the past that resulted in disaster.

[erolz66]

The Brecon by election clearly showed one thing today. Vote Farage and you get Swinson. In a General Election for Swinson read Corbyn perhaps.

I think it showed that this idea that following the next GE and assuming we have not already left, there can be little to no doubt that a Parliament will be returned that would express majority support for a no deal exit from the EU, is not necessarily so clearly the case. This was a constituency that voted majority leave in 2016 I believe ?

[erolz66]

There are many other examples of social democracy creating crisis and all socialist, communists, marxists, et el believe that their ideology works but it’s just the way it was implemented by others in the past that resulted in disaster.

Examples of countries with governments following right wing ideologies that have ended in crisis, worse economies than before that government started. Do these also exist ? How would you class governments of places like Norway ? Right ? Left ? Center ? (they can print their own money I believe ?)

[Maximus]

Yes, of course right wing governments exist that have also created disaster.

But i hope you are not trying to tell me that socialism and communism are wealth creating ideologies?

[erolz66]

But i hope you are not trying to tell me that socialism and communism are wealth creating ideologies?

I think they are ideologies that do not place wealth creation and especially private wealth creation as the highest priority objective above any and all other objectives.

[Maximus]

But i hope you are not trying to tell me that socialism and communism are wealth creating ideologies?

I think they are ideologies that do not place wealth creation and especially private wealth creation as the highest priority objective above any and all other objectives.

That’s true but they are also not wealth creating ideologies.

They are ideologies on the extreme end of the left side of the political spectrum.

In my opinion, extreme ends of the political spectrum are (potentially) disaster ridden ideologies.

[erolz66]

In my opinion, extreme ends of the political spectrum are (potentially) disaster ridden ideologies.

That I would agree with pretty much unreservedly. I think extremes on just about every 'spectrum' are potentially dangerous and that is pretty much by definition. One of the aspects of the whole Brexit thing that upsets / concerns me is the seeming 'death of the centre' in British politics.