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[Paphitis]

Hey stupid, what a preposterous analogy.
Australia rejecting or not the monarchy would not make the slightest difference to it's economy. !! Are you as stupid as you come across, by they way you are telling us that you fly planes, well mate as a ...rocket scientist my self I would hate to find my self on a plane with you as the pilot.

Oh really! It would just change the entire system of Government and you think the economy is more important do you? republics come in all shapes and sizes. Greece, and Turkey are a Republic and they have had more political turmoil which Australia has never had in 120 years of Westminster Governance.

Gosh Miltiades, but you need to friggin start using your brain.

And yes, i do fly planes! You're welcome!

[erolz66]

Well it looks like under that model Australia would never become a Republic EVER.

You mean under a model of democracy, where by the people, either directly or indirectly via their elected representatives, do not just get to decide If Australia should be a republic but also if it should, they also get a democratic say in how it does ?

Your argument is nothing more than the people can and should decide if Australia becomes a republic or not, but if they decide it should, then they should not have a valid democratic say in how that happens and this should be decided only by a minority of those who most vociferously campaigned to become a republic. I do not share the notion. I think democracy should apply to both the IF and the HOW.

Britons wre also asked a simple question about whether or not to remain or leave the EU and voted to leave and you are not respecting this mandate.

I accept ANY form of Brexit that can command a majority in either Parliament of the people. You will only accept the one singular form of Brexit that you want, that does not have majority support in Parliament or the people and advocate that Parliament should be denied its right and ability to reflect the will of the people in how we leave so you can get what you want. Who is the democrat here ?

Unfortunately for you though, you are pissing into wind.

If this was all pissing in the wind, then you would not care. It is exactly because it is not pissing in the wind, because you can not get what you want in terms of how we leave without denying the people a valid say in that, that you are behaving the way you do.

[erolz66]

No one has any skin to lose.

As someone with Sterling income that spends that income in Euro's or TL, I personally am directly and immediately affected by the value Sterling has vs other currencies. It affects the whole basis of my life and if I can continue to afford to be retired or semi retired from the age of 35 or not. Do you have any Sterling income ? Any Sterling deposits ? Any Sterling denominated assets ?

In fact I am so upbeat, I believe there is a lot to gain. I am a very positive person and actually believe in Britain.

Talk is cheap, which is why you are so upbeat that you will not put your money where you mouth is.

I don't care about market fluctuations in currency which will ALWAYS recover over time. There is something far greater at stake here.

It is easy to not care about such movements when they do not affect you. Not so easy when they do. As for the notion that a given national currency will always recover over time, then it is lucky for you your living does not depend on understanding such things. A national currencies value relative to others will always be pulled back to a value defined by the underlying strength of the national economy that under pins that currency. When the UK ruled 1/3 of the world and its economy relative to other countries was massively stronger than it is today, the value of sterling was worth massively more vs other currencies than it is today. Time has not and will not change that. Sterling and the UK's economy have both been in long term decline since the end of 'empire'. The evidence of a reduction in that rate of decline the correlates with us joining the EEC is there for anyone to see if they want to.

[Paphitis]

So let us summarize everything Erolz.

If Australia hold a simple referendum about becoming a Republic or maintaining the Crown of Australia with all its established institutions and Systems of Government, and the Republicans won, then the Monarchists can turn around and behave like spoilt Remoaners and come up with all kinds of alarmism crap that Australia will end up like Turkey or Argentina. Don't cry for me Argentina, the next Pinochet is round the corner!

That Australia will decline from what is a remarkable System of Government which has taken us through wars and ruled the country with an unparalleled stability and given us untold amounts of wealth and prosperity to one akin to Turkey which only recently had a Coup and Tanks on the streets?

Having a simple vote is all that can be done without complicating it because if you ask people should we become a Republic like the USA there would be those Republicans in Australia who would rather retain the Crown. So which Republican Model can we put to the people without confusing them to default back to the Crown. Belgium? Germany? Put those as models forward again, the Monarchists would rump it in because Australians don't want neither the Belgium, German or French models.

Therefore, the republican movement can't win. Australia will remain a Monarch...

As a result, why even have a referendum when the Parliament can overturn the decisions as you put it, even though the reality is it can not do such a thing?

[Paphitis]

No one has any skin to lose.

As someone with Sterling income that spends that income in Euro's or TL, I personally am directly and immediately affected by the value Sterling has vs other currencies. It affects the whole basis of my life and if I can continue to afford to be retired or semi retired from the age of 35 or not. Do you have any Sterling income ? Any Sterling deposits ? Any Sterling denominated assets ?

In fact I am so upbeat, I believe there is a lot to gain. I am a very positive person and actually believe in Britain.

Talk is cheap, which is why you are so upbeat that you will not put your money where you mouth is.

I don't care about market fluctuations in currency which will ALWAYS recover over time. There is something far greater at stake here.

It is easy to not care about such movements when they do not affect you. Not so easy when they do. As for the notion that a given national currency will always recover over time, then it is lucky for you your living does not depend on understanding such things. A national currencies value relative to others will always be pulled back to a value defined by the underlying strength of the national economy that under pins that currency. When the UK ruled 1/3 of the world and its economy relative to other countries was massively stronger than it is today, the value of sterling was worth massively more vs other currencies than it is today. Time has not and will not change that. Sterling and the UK's economy have both been in long term decline since the end of 'empire'. The evidence of a reduction in that rate of decline the correlates with us joining the EEC is there for anyone to see if they want to.

You are affected no more than fluctuations in Australia's currency which is linked to commodity prices. You will take the highs and the lows as they come like everyone else.

When our commodity prices go up, our dollar goes up. When there is a global meltdown (which btw Britain is contributing to right now) our commodity prices go down and our dollar goes down so everyone loses some skin. fact is, Britain needs to end the uncertainty RIGHT NOW and move forward.

You are not in a position to claim adverse conditions to subvert and undermine a democratic mandate delivered by the people about Britain's future which in time will see many ups and downs like every other country on the planet and which in due course will have a number of Free Trade deals with so many countries, that its EU non membership will be a non issue like it isn't an issue for Norway, Switzerland, Australia, canada and USA which also have Free Trade Deals.

[Paphitis]

Anyhow, i am not wasting my tiime pointlessly going round in circles. I've got work to do.

But i will be back Erolz and Miltiades to partake of the salt once BREXIT occurs.

You can argue among yourselves and have the final word. my final word is BREXIT!

See ya all on the flip side of BREXIT!

happy BREXIT to all!

[erolz66]

So let us summarize everything Erolz.

If Australia hold a simple referendum about becoming a Republic or maintaining the Crown of Australia with all its established institutions and Systems of Government, and the Republicans won, then the Monarchists can turn around and behave like spoilt Remoaners and come up with all kinds of alarmism crap that Australia will end up like Turkey or Argentina. Don't cry for me Argentina, the next Pinochet is round the corner!

That Australia will decline from what is a remarkable System of Government which has taken us through wars and ruled the country with an unparalleled stability and given us untold amounts of wealth and prosperity to one akin to Turkey which only recently had a Coup and Tanks on the streets?

Having a simple vote is all that can be done without complicating it because if you ask people should we become a Republic like the USA there would be those Republicans in Australia who would rather retain the Crown. So which Republican Model can we put to the people without confusing them to default back to the Crown. Belgium? Germany? Put those as models forward again, the Monarchists would rump it in because Australians don't want neither the Belgium, German or French models.

Therefore, the republican movement can't win. Australia will remain a Monarch...

As a result, why even have a referendum when the Parliament can overturn the decisions as you put it, even though the reality is it can not do such a thing?

I have made my views perfectly and absolutely clear. My view is that the people should get a say EITHER directly via referendum OR via the majority will of their elected representatives not just in IF something should happen but also in HOW it should happen. I am NOT the one claiming that a decision democratically made by democratically elected MP's (blocking a no deal exit on the 29th March) is invalid, illegal, unjust because it was a decision I did not like. YOU are the one doing that. I am not the one claiming that no deal should be off the table and should never be democratically considered again because the people have already spoken , via their elected representatives, on this issues and the result was 'no to no deal exit'. You are the one doing the equivalence of this when it suits what you want and only when it does.

[miltiades]

Anyhow, i am not wasting my tiime pointlessly going round in circles. I've got work to do.

But i will be back Erolz and Miltiades to partake of the salt once BREXIT occurs.

You can argue among yourselves and have the final word. my final word is BREXIT!

See ya all on the flip side of BREXIT!

happy BREXIT to all!

Will you be sending us ...humble pies ??
Im so pleased that you believe Brexit will happen since ALL of your predictions thus far have failed !!

[Paphitis]

So let us summarize everything Erolz.

If Australia hold a simple referendum about becoming a Republic or maintaining the Crown of Australia with all its established institutions and Systems of Government, and the Republicans won, then the Monarchists can turn around and behave like spoilt Remoaners and come up with all kinds of alarmism crap that Australia will end up like Turkey or Argentina. Don't cry for me Argentina, the next Pinochet is round the corner!

That Australia will decline from what is a remarkable System of Government which has taken us through wars and ruled the country with an unparalleled stability and given us untold amounts of wealth and prosperity to one akin to Turkey which only recently had a Coup and Tanks on the streets?

Having a simple vote is all that can be done without complicating it because if you ask people should we become a Republic like the USA there would be those Republicans in Australia who would rather retain the Crown. So which Republican Model can we put to the people without confusing them to default back to the Crown. Belgium? Germany? Put those as models forward again, the Monarchists would rump it in because Australians don't want neither the Belgium, German or French models.

Therefore, the republican movement can't win. Australia will remain a Monarch...

As a result, why even have a referendum when the Parliament can overturn the decisions as you put it, even though the reality is it can not do such a thing?

I have made my views perfectly and absolutely clear. My view is that the people should get a say EITHER directly via referendum OR via the majority will of their elected representatives not just in IF something should happen but also in HOW it should happen. I am NOT the one claiming that a decision democratically made by democratically elected MP's (blocking a no deal exit on the 29th March) is invalid, illegal, unjust because it was a decision I did not like. YOU are the one doing that. I am not the one claiming that no deal should be off the table and should never be democratically considered again because the people have already spoken , via their elected representatives, on this issues and the result was 'no to no deal exit'. You are the one doing the equivalence of this when it suits what you want and only when it does.

You have and I will let you have the final word but not that you views matter at all.

The only thing that matters is that the people of Britain delivered a mandate. You can believe whatever you want to believe. In the end it won't make any difference.
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Happy BREXIT. I will see you soon to partake in the delicious salt.

[Paphitis]

Anyhow, i am not wasting my tiime pointlessly going round in circles. I've got work to do.

But i will be back Erolz and Miltiades to partake of the salt once BREXIT occurs.

You can argue among yourselves and have the final word. my final word is BREXIT!

See ya all on the flip side of BREXIT!

happy BREXIT to all!

Will you be sending us ...humble pies ??
Im so pleased that you believe Brexit will happen since ALL of your predictions thus far have failed !!

BREXIT is just a matter of when now.

The mandate for BREXIT is very clear. Article 50 has been enacted and can't be withdrawn.

I am going to enjoy the salt Miltiades. Delicious! I love my salt. So yummy!