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[erolz66]

There, fixed it for you!

Amazing as one who claims to be just educating yourself you reject any evidence presented to you that disproves your Remainer arguments...

I would prefer it if you did not with intent , even for humour, actively mis quote me. But hey ho.

I do not reject that Parliament voted in favour of triggering article 50 with leave on the 29th March as the default position. I do no not reject it because it is plain reality. Nor do I reject that Parliament had and has the democratic right, legal and moral, to change it's mind and that was the basis on which it agreed to trigger it. If triggering article 50 had involved agreeing to a March 29th default leave AND that once triggered there was no way to be able to change your mind, then the vote to trigger it would not have been the same as it was. And you know it.

Lets be clear, your position is completely undemocratic - much as you try and convince yourself otherwise...

Yeah because saying you will accept any decision that commands either a majority in Parliament or from the People directly but not one that does not command such support from either - that is pretty much the definition of 'undemocratic' . If you are an extreme leaver that is. Who is really trying to convince themselves here CG ?

[cyprusgrump]

Yeah because saying you will accept any decision that commands either a majority in Parliament or from the People directly but not one that does not command such support from either - that is pretty much the definition of 'undemocratic' .

But you don't do you...? And I suspect you never will...

Because the majority voted Leave and yet you will never, ever respect that vote because you wanted (and expected) Remain to win...

And you can keep posting the same old stuff for the next three years (or longer) but the bottom line remains...

We voted Leave and ardent Remainers like yourself don't accept the democratic vote... How sad you are!

[Londonrake]

..........And you can keep posting the same old stuff for the next three years (or longer).......

In my Forum experiences - that’s exactly what’ll happen.

[erolz66]

Yeah because saying you will accept any decision that commands either a majority in Parliament or from the People directly but not one that does not command such support from either - that is pretty much the definition of 'undemocratic' .

But you don't do you...? And I suspect you never will...

Because the majority voted Leave and yet you will never, ever respect that vote because you wanted (and expected) Remain to win...

And you can keep posting the same old stuff for the next three years (or longer) but the bottom line remains...

We voted Leave and ardent Remainers like yourself don't accept the democratic vote... How sad you are!

I have said I accept any decision on brexit that commands either a majority in Parliament or from the people. What more can I do ? That your only way to 'respond' to that is to call me liar pretty much says it all from where I am sitting.

[cyprusgrump]

Yeah because saying you will accept any decision that commands either a majority in Parliament or from the People directly but not one that does not command such support from either - that is pretty much the definition of 'undemocratic' .

But you don't do you...? And I suspect you never will...

Because the majority voted Leave and yet you will never, ever respect that vote because you wanted (and expected) Remain to win...

And you can keep posting the same old stuff for the next three years (or longer) but the bottom line remains...

We voted Leave and ardent Remainers like yourself don't accept the democratic vote... How sad you are!

I have said I accept any decision on brexit that commands either a majority in Parliament or from the people. What more can I do ? That your only way to 'respond' to that is to call me liar pretty much says it all from where I am sitting.

But you don't accept the 2016 referendum vote do you...?

So you don't do as you claim... Anything else you say is just B/S... Or lies if you prefer, you do like to throw around the 'L' word after all!

[Kikapu]

The Brexiteers cannot blame the remainders for making sure all legal and political issues with the referendum has gone through the process. It is very clear that the majority voted for Brexit and no one is challenging the results, but if the Brexiteers cannot take the Brexit vote across the finish line, then it is not the fault of the remainders. You can blame the system all you like. Blame the parliament all you like. Blame the EU all you like. In the end, blame yourselves for not planning a clear path in advance of the referendum, because it is very apparent now, that the referendum results had many “road bumps” before it can be taken across the finish line. If you didn’t see the “road bumps” in advance of the referendum, we’ll, that’s just too bad for the Brexiteers and lucky for the remainders. It has already cost the jobs of two PMs and maybe the third soon. It may cost the breakup of the UK and have a devastating affect on the economy of the UK.

It is obvious that Boris is taking instructions from Trump how to be a dick in dealing with the EU, with his arrogance in making demand to renegotiate or else. Or else what, Boris? The EU gave the UK at least two extensions for the Brexit deadline and the EU did not blink of the threat of no deal Brexit. Who does Boris think he is that his demands will be met by the EU? If Boris has the balls to match his arrogance, he should state now that the UK is not going to wait until October 31st to leave, even without a deal, and just leave the EU without a deal tomorrow. Then he will find out if the EU will run after him for a deal, or the EU will tell Boris not to let the door hit him in the ass on the way out. I think of the latter. Boris can then deal with the Parliament afterwards whether what he did was legal or not as the EU doesn’t care if the UK leaves with a deal or leaves without a deal. They couldn’t careless and Boris is going to find this out the hard way.

Keep on listening to Trump for advice, Boris!

[erolz66]

But you don't accept the 2016 referendum vote do you...?

How is accepting any form of Brexit that can command majority support of either MP's or the people indicative of not accepting the result of the 2016 referendum ?

So you don't do as you claim...

What can I do that would indicate I accept the 2016 result in your eyes then ? Cause from here it seems to me that the only thing I could do is to support the particular form of Brexit that YOU want and nothing else and that does not have majority support in Parliament (yet) and almost certainly does not amongst the population and that you say can not and must not be asked of the people.

In any case if a form of Brexit happens that does have majority support of either P{Parliament or the people and after that I do keep whining here, then just throw these posts in my face. However if you think that if Johnson does somehow manage to get a no deal through, against the will of the Parliament and the people for that form of exit, then I guarantee you I will not shut up.

[Lordo]

Yeah because saying you will accept any decision that commands either a majority in Parliament or from the People directly but not one that does not command such support from either - that is pretty much the definition of 'undemocratic' .

But you don't do you...? And I suspect you never will...

Because the majority voted Leave and yet you will never, ever respect that vote because you wanted (and expected) Remain to win...

And you can keep posting the same old stuff for the next three years (or longer) but the bottom line remains...

We voted Leave and ardent Remainers like yourself don't accept the democratic vote... How sad you are!

you clearly do not undestand what happened never mind democracy.
17 million people voted for Brexit but it was not the same brexit. labour voters and a fair number of tory voters would never vote for no-deal brexit. they should have made it clear as to which brexit they were talking about. as to democracy 13 million people voted for the tories in 2017. how the hell do the tories have the right to impose their version of brexit on us. but do not fear, democracy will win in the end. if boris does not call for election it will be forced on him. he can go around champaigning all he likes. he has surrounded himslef with very right wing assholes. they will be decemated in the election especially if brexit party stands against them in their marginal seats.
Labour has changed tact. They will put to the vote no matter who gets what deal. now that is democracy. and if people vote for no deal brexit we shall have it. When pibol realise what it means and how much it will cost them, they will run a mile.

[Paphitis]

nonsense! Britain has the same system of Government as Australia and Boris is able to see the Queen and dissolve parliament and go to an early election.

lol

fascinating ! So Australia enacted a Fix term parliament act in 2011 as well as the UK doing so did it ? One that

Before the Act was passed the power to determine whether a general election should be held early was exercised by the Prime Minister (PM). The Act transferred this power to Parliament.[1]

Like I have said before your level of ignorance combined with your willingness to publicly show it off is remarkable.

I realise this is a radical suggestion for you but perhaps actually reading about the act might give you a better understanding of what it does and does not allow than you just deciding what it allows and does not allow without having to actually bother reading anything about it ?

No it hasn't but the Queen has the power to dissolve parliament on the PMs request when parliament is blocking constitutional mandates like referendums.

The British parliament also has the power to have a vote of no confidence, something they will of course not do because they know they will get demolished at the polls.

[Paphitis]

No Deal Brexit will happen on 31 October, even if MPs vote to bring down the government, Geoffrey Cox says

Well there we have it. MPs and Parliament do NOT have the power to stop NO DEAL BREXIT.

This according to the Attorney general of the UK.