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[Londonrake]

Despite that a General Election can take place after the government loses a vote of confidence or if 2/3rds of MPs vote for it, as they did in 2017. It's unlikely they would vote against.

All correct. What is not correct is the assertion that Johnson alone can just dissolve Parliament by going and asking the Queen to do so. Before this act he could. After it he can not. Want to try explaining that to Paphitis because I do not seem to be having much luck doing so ?

It seems a moot point. If Johnson wanted to go to the country I'm sure the opposition would fall over themselves to help - before throwing a big party.

[erolz66]

Despite that a General Election can take place after the government loses a vote of confidence or if 2/3rds of MPs vote for it, as they did in 2017. It's unlikely they would vote against.

All correct. What is not correct is the assertion that Johnson alone can just dissolve Parliament by going and asking the Queen to do so. Before this act he could. After it he can not. Want to try explaining that to Paphitis because I do not seem to be having much luck doing so ?

It seems a moot point. If Johnson wanted to go to the country I'm sure the opposition parties would fall over themselves to help - before throwing a big party.

In terms of are there ways Johnson could get a GE to happen before its set due date, it may be a moot point. In terms of the accuracy of Paphitis' deceleration that Johnson can do so simply by individual fiat decision by just asking the Queen it is not moot.

[miltiades]

Madam ...Sterling appears to be overtly ...excited at the prospect of Brexit , extremely confident she seems that our new PM will rejuvenate our economy , as he recently said the economic prospects following Brexit are ....huge! Madam ain't that happy, now trading at below 1.10 euros. Some idiot earlier said that the economy does not really matter. What a load of morons. A nations currency, strength or weekness is indicative of that nations economic health. Still, just as long as we can get our ....country back we dont give a toss. Here is a tip. Get rid of your pounds as soon is you possibly can, we are about to see drastic falls of dear old Sterling

[cyprusgrump]

Your claim was LEGAL right. That parliament had no LEGAL right to stop a no deal exit on 29th March. If this is true, rather than just some fantasy in your head that you present as true, then why has there been no legal challenge and not even a suggestion of a legal challenge by anyone ?

I believe there are two legal challenges...

Any details, references , links ? If there are such challenges I would be very interested to know more about them, who is behind them, what stage they are at, what if any rulings have been made on them to date if any etc etc

Perhaps if you didn't dismiss sites that didn't 100% agree with your point of view as 'Extreme Brexit' you'd be better informed!

[cyprusgrump]

No Deal Brexit will happen on 31 October, even if MPs vote to bring down the government, Geoffrey Cox says

[erolz66]

The basic question was simply, stay or go ffs.

how they go was for the politicians to decide, but going was what was voted for.

Had politicians been able to agree by majority how we leave I would accept that. If we change those politicians via a GE and they can agree by majority how we leave I will accept that. What I will not accept is a minority at the most extreme end of the spectrum of the debate choosing how we leave when we know that way does NOT have majority support of politicians and almost certainly does not have majority support of the people. I do not accept that because I am democrat.

(I moved this from the land of the free thread because it had got very off topic there)

No doubt you'll still be trotting out this same old falsehood long after we have actually left!

And no doubt should Parliament block no deal on 31st October and we have a GE and end up with another Parliament that also will not allow a no deal exit, you will still be insisting that the public voted for a no deal exit in the referendum and seek to block any and all attempts to implement any other kind of exit whilst also blocking any attempt to ask the public directly and explicitly if they support a no deal exit or not. All whilst blaming those who voted remain for you not getting what you want.

[cyprusgrump]

The basic question was simply, stay or go ffs.

how they go was for the politicians to decide, but going was what was voted for.

Had politicians been able to agree by majority how we leave I would accept that. If we change those politicians via a GE and they can agree by majority how we leave I will accept that. What I will not accept is a minority at the most extreme end of the spectrum of the debate choosing how we leave when we know that way does NOT have majority support of politicians and almost certainly does not have majority support of the people. I do not accept that because I am democrat.

(I moved this from the land of the free thread because it had got very off topic there)

No doubt you'll still be trotting out this same old falsehood long after we have actually left!

And no doubt should Parliament block no deal on 31st October and we have a GE and end up with another Parliament that also will not allow a no deal exit, you will still be insisting that the public voted for a no deal exit in the referendum and seek to block any and all attempts to implement any other kind of exit whilst also blocking any attempt to ask the public directly and explicitly if they support a no deal exit or not. All whilst blaming those who voted remain for you not getting what you want.

I don't think that will happen...

But if there is a GE it is clear that the numbers are on our side (see below), the new parliament will be a pro Brexit parliament.

What I think will happen is there will be a Boris Bounce...

Parliament (well, Remainer MPs) will realise that calling a vote of no confidence or a GE will be like Turkeys voting for Christmas - many of them will lose their seats...

So that will make a No Deal Brexit the default, as previously voted by parliament.

However...

I think the EU will realise that instead of sitting on their hands and letting a Remainer parliament overturn Brexit they are heading for a No Deal Brexit and will offer a deal at the last moment...

I also think that ardent Remainers like yourself will be whinging about it for years to come... How wonderful!

[erolz66]

But if there is a GE it is clear that the numbers are on our side (see below), the new parliament will be a pro Brexit parliament.

Yet there WAS a GE after the referendum and the numbers you posted below and it DID return a Parliament that was not prepared to support a no deal exit. So you now want another GE. If that one does not give you the Parliament you want, call another GE, and another until you get one that will support what you want ?

I think the EU will realise that instead of sitting on their hands and letting a Remainer parliament overturn Brexit they are heading for a No Deal Brexit and will offer a deal at the last moment...

Yet Parliament did not block a no deal exit until the very last minute they would still be able to to do so, and the EU did not offer a different deal.

I also think that ardent Remainers like yourself will be whinging about it for years to come... How wonderful!

You mean ardent democrats like me ? I will say again I will accept ANY form of Brexit than can command either a majority in Parliament or the people. The only thing I reject is a no deal exit that does not have majority support of either Parliament or the people.

As far as I can understand you, you reject everything except the particular form of Brexit that YOU want and regardless as to what the will of the people is in regards to the kind of exit or exit at all.

[cyprusgrump]

The only thing I reject is a no deal exit that has already been agreed by Parliament as the default position.

There, fixed it for you!

Amazing as one who claims to be just educating yourself you reject any evidence presented to you that disproves your Remainer arguments...

[cyprusgrump]

You mean ardent democrats like me ?

Lets be clear, your position is completely undemocratic - much as you try and convince yourself otherwise...