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[Paphitis]

Another option Boris has is the Nuclear Option of dissolving Parliament and going to the polls.

Have you even heard of the Fixed-term Parliaments Act 2011 ?

No I haven't and I am sure there is nothing in the act that allows parliament to interfere with a referendum under any circumstances.

I referred to the Nuclear Option and let me put it to you that is not something I think will turn out well for those who either oppose Boris or BREXIT.

In fact I think the Nuclear option is something Boris should consider.

Well if you had of read the Fixed-term Parliaments Act 2011, you realise that Johnson can not just 'dissolve Parliament' according to UK law. So keep on taking about a 'nuclear option' that does not legally exist if you like, I was just trying to save you some time.

nonsense! Britain has the same system of Government as Australia and Boris is able to see the Queen and dissolve parliament and go to an early election.

[erolz66]

The Welsh are!

If there is a GE and it returns a Parliament that will grant majority support for any form of Brexit including no deal (that this one has not been prepared to do) then I will accept that no problem. If however it returns a Parliament that is still unwilling to allow a no deal exit, will you accept that democratic decision even though you do not like it ? Or you will keep whingeing and whining about how unfair and undemocratic that is because you did not get what you want ? My money is on the later.

[Paphitis]

The Welsh are!

If there is a GE and it returns a Parliament that will grant majority support for any form of Brexit including no deal (that this one has not been prepared to do) then I will accept that no problem. If however it returns a Parliament that is still unwilling to allow a no deal exit, will you accept that democratic decision even though you do not like it ? Or you will keep whingeing and whining about how unfair and undemocratic that is because you did not get what you want ? My money is on the later.

We already had a referendum and you are changing the goalposts to suit.

At the end of the day, BREXIT is a foregone conclusion and will occur with or without a deal and this mandate must be carried out.

[erolz66]

Your claim was LEGAL right. That parliament had no LEGAL right to stop a no deal exit on 29th March. If this is true, rather than just some fantasy in your head that you present as true, then why has there been no legal challenge and not even a suggestion of a legal challenge by anyone ?

I believe there are two legal challenges...

Any details, references , links ? If there are such challenges I would be very interested to know more about them, who is behind them, what stage they are at, what if any rulings have been made on them to date if any etc etc

[erolz66]

nonsense! Britain has the same system of Government as Australia and Boris is able to see the Queen and dissolve parliament and go to an early election.

lol

fascinating ! So Australia enacted a Fix term parliament act in 2011 as well as the UK doing so did it ? One that

Before the Act was passed the power to determine whether a general election should be held early was exercised by the Prime Minister (PM). The Act transferred this power to Parliament.[1]

Like I have said before your level of ignorance combined with your willingness to publicly show it off is remarkable.

I realise this is a radical suggestion for you but perhaps actually reading about the act might give you a better understanding of what it does and does not allow than you just deciding what it allows and does not allow without having to actually bother reading anything about it ?

[erolz66]

We already had a referendum and you are changing the goalposts to suit.

No I am simply arguing that just as the people had the right to decide if we should leave the EU at all or not, they also should have the right to decide how we leave. That to me is democracy. You are the one arguing that because they decided to leave they should have and can have no right or say in how we leave.

[Londonrake]

So what odds are you offering on the UK not leaving without a deal on or by the 31st October ? You seem to be saying anything else is a 'remote' probability in your opinion so I assume you are offering decent odds ? Labrokes is offering 2.50 (decimal odds - bet 1 pound win 2.50) of no deal exit before 31st October. They are not offering any odds on anything but a no deal exit by 31st october. Want to step in to the breach ?

I'm not offering any odds. I've been looking at Betfair though and what I'm saying is that the punters' money is going on everything NOT happening (UK to leave on or before 31/10. No deal Brexit in 2019. EU referendum before 2020. Meaningful vote to pass in 2019. Year of next election 2019.) The single exception is for a second confidence vote. The bookies just cover their exposure of course.

Another option Boris has is the Nuclear Option of dissolving Parliament and going to the polls.

Have you even heard of the Fixed-term Parliaments Act 2011 ?

Despite that a General Election can take place after the government loses a vote of confidence or if 2/3rds of MPs vote for it, as they did in 2017. It's unlikely they would vote against.

[Londonrake]

We already had a referendum and you are changing the goalposts to suit.

No I am simply arguing that just as the people had the right to decide if we should leave the EU at all or not, they also should have the right to decide how we leave. That to me is democracy. You are the one arguing that because they decided to leave they should have and can have no right or say in how we leave.

So your "peoples' vote" wouldn't include the option of staying in?

[erolz66]

We already had a referendum and you are changing the goalposts to suit.

No I am simply arguing that just as the people had the right to decide if we should leave the EU at all or not, they also should have the right to decide how we leave. That to me is democracy. You are the one arguing that because they decided to leave they should have and can have no right or say in how we leave.

So your "peoples' vote" wouldn't include the option of staying in?

On the issue of a no deal exit, correct. I am also saying I would accept such an exit without a 'peoples vote' if a majority of democratically elected MP's support such. What I will not and do not accept is such a form of exit over other possible ones that does not have either of those things needed to make it a democratically legitimate form of exit.

[erolz66]

Despite that a General Election can take place after the government loses a vote of confidence or if 2/3rds of MPs vote for it, as they did in 2017. It's unlikely they would vote against.

All correct. What is not correct is the assertion that Johnson alone can just dissolve Parliament by going and asking the Queen to do so. Before this act he could. After it he can not. Want to try explaining that to Paphitis because I do not seem to be having much luck doing so ?