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[Paphitis]

It's difficult to see how currently a GE could be forced to occur prior to 31st October.

It does seem that the path to anything but a No Deal Brexit is now only followed if a sequence of low probability events take place, such as "Rebels" actually bringing down their own government. Which for some means committing political suicide.

So what odds are you offering on the UK not leaving without a deal on or by the 31st October ? You seem to be saying anything else is a 'remote' probability in your opinion so I assume you are offering decent odds ? Labrokes is offering 2.50 (decimal odds - bet 1 pound win 2.50) of no deal exit before 31st October. They are not offering any odds on anything but a no deal exit by 31st october. Want to step in to the breach ?

I'm not offering any odds.

I am skeptical he can meet his deadline as well because I believe the EU are going to begin negotiations just before it.

I believe in the way Boris Johnson is handling this and believe it is very likely he will achieve a positive result and I also believe that if the EU do not play nice then it leaves no other option other than Hard Brexit but I don't believe this will happen by the 31st of October.

Another option Boris has is the Nuclear Option of dissolving Parliament and going to the polls.

I am willing to wager, however that BREXIT (whether Deal or NO DEAL) will occur within the next 12 to 18 months.

[erolz66]

Parliament did not have the right under any legal circumstance to impede Article 50 or prevent or rule out Hard BREXIT

So Parliament had no legal right to do what it did do according to you. I guess UK constitutional law is yet another area on which you are an undisputed expert ? Strange is it not, if there was no legal right for the UK Parliament to do what it did, that no one has launched a legal challenge against it or even suggested such. Maybe you should be offering your fine and incisive legal mind and expertise to Johnson ?

[Paphitis]

Parliament did not have the right under any legal circumstance to impede Article 50 or prevent or rule out Hard BREXIT

So Parliament had no legal right to do what it did do according to you. I guess UK constitutional law is yet another area on which you are an undisputed expert ? Strange is it not, if there was no legal right for the UK Parliament to do what it did, that no one has launched a legal challenge against it or even suggested such. Maybe you should be offering your fine and incisive legal mind and expertise to Johnson ?

yep, it has no right to undermine a referendum!

And in fact, Boris is able to ignore Parliament and BREXIT anyway and the only thing parliament can do is to effectively shut down Government be stopping funding in which case Boris will likely just dissolve Parliament and go to the people and the people are likely to support him on this.

[erolz66]

Another option Boris has is the Nuclear Option of dissolving Parliament and going to the polls.

Have you even heard of the Fixed-term Parliaments Act 2011 ?

[Paphitis]

Another option Boris has is the Nuclear Option of dissolving Parliament and going to the polls.

Have you even heard of the Fixed-term Parliaments Act 2011 ?

No I haven't and I am sure there is nothing in the act that allows parliament to interfere with a referendum under any circumstances.

I referred to the Nuclear Option and let me put it to you that is not something I think will turn out well for those who either oppose Boris or BREXIT.

In fact I think the Nuclear option is something Boris should consider.

[cyprusgrump]

Looks like Boris' plan is to tour the country campaigning, increasing the polling for the Conservatives and making a VoC unlikely for the reasons you outline...

Yes and he is promising to throw billions of pounds at people as well, after years of supporting harsh austerity measures on the basis that such were absolutely necessary and could not be avoided, lessened or delayed. You may be impressed with such pledges but I would not assume that everyone is similarly impressed.

The Welsh are!

[erolz66]

Parliament did not have the right under any legal circumstance to impede Article 50 or prevent or rule out Hard BREXIT

So Parliament had no legal right to do what it did do according to you. I guess UK constitutional law is yet another area on which you are an undisputed expert ? Strange is it not, if there was no legal right for the UK Parliament to do what it did, that no one has launched a legal challenge against it or even suggested such. Maybe you should be offering your fine and incisive legal mind and expertise to Johnson ?

yep, it has no right to undermine a referendum!

Your claim was LEGAL right. That parliament had no LEGAL right to stop a no deal exit on 29th March. If this is true, rather than just some fantasy in your head that you present as true, then why has there been no legal challenge and not even a suggestion of a legal challenge by anyone ?

And in fact, Boris is able to ignore Parliament and BREXIT anyway and the only thing parliament can do is to effectively shut down Government be stopping funding in which case Boris will likely just dissolve Parliament and go to the people and the people are likely to support him on this.

Yeah the great British UK democratic system means, according to you, that the leader of a minority government can just ignore Parliament when he does not like the democratic decisions it makes. What were you saying about dictatorship being the best form of governance possible ?

[Paphitis]

Parliament did not have the right under any legal circumstance to impede Article 50 or prevent or rule out Hard BREXIT

So Parliament had no legal right to do what it did do according to you. I guess UK constitutional law is yet another area on which you are an undisputed expert ? Strange is it not, if there was no legal right for the UK Parliament to do what it did, that no one has launched a legal challenge against it or even suggested such. Maybe you should be offering your fine and incisive legal mind and expertise to Johnson ?

yep, it has no right to undermine a referendum!

Your claim was LEGAL right. That parliament had no LEGAL right to stop a no deal exit on 29th March. If this is true, rather than just some fantasy in your head that you present as true, then why has there been no legal challenge and not even a suggestion of a legal challenge by anyone ?

And in fact, Boris is able to ignore Parliament and BREXIT anyway and the only thing parliament can do is to effectively shut down Government be stopping funding in which case Boris will likely just dissolve Parliament and go to the people and the people are likely to support him on this.

Yeah the great British UK democratic system means, according to you, that the leader of a minority government can just ignore Parliament when he does not like the democratic decisions it makes. What were you saying about dictatorship being the best form of governance possible ?

that's right.

Boris is able to execute a NO DEAL BREXIT and ignore Parliament and he can immediately dissolve Parliament and go to the polls as well with the Nuclear option.

there is nothing at all anyone can do about that either.

What can't be ignored is the referendum.

[cyprusgrump]

Your claim was LEGAL right. That parliament had no LEGAL right to stop a no deal exit on 29th March. If this is true, rather than just some fantasy in your head that you present as true, then why has there been no legal challenge and not even a suggestion of a legal challenge by anyone ?

I believe there are two legal challenges...

[erolz66]

Another option Boris has is the Nuclear Option of dissolving Parliament and going to the polls.

Have you even heard of the Fixed-term Parliaments Act 2011 ?

No I haven't and I am sure there is nothing in the act that allows parliament to interfere with a referendum under any circumstances.

I referred to the Nuclear Option and let me put it to you that is not something I think will turn out well for those who either oppose Boris or BREXIT.

In fact I think the Nuclear option is something Boris should consider.

Well if you had of read the Fixed-term Parliaments Act 2011, you realise that Johnson can not just 'dissolve Parliament' according to UK law. So keep on taking about a 'nuclear option' that does not legally exist if you like, I was just trying to save you some time.