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[erolz66]

the UK doesn't want to be a part of the customs area and I don't blame them.

Say's who ? Is that how your 'democracy' works then Paphitis ? You just decide what the UK want's and then that becomes the democratic will of the people just because you say it. I would call that 'extreme'. Has the UK population been asked via referendum 'do you want the UK to be part of the EU customs union or not' ? Has a majority of UK's MP's ever voted that they do not want the UK to part of a customs union with the EU ?No it has not. So how do you know what the UK wants ? You do not. The best you can do is claim they wanted to leave the EU and then seek to pervert that legitimate democratic mandate in to what you personally want. That is not democracy and it is extreme.

And, when there is a Free trade agreement, goods can freely criss cross between the Republic and Northern Ireland too.

Only if that free trade agreement covers all and any goods, covers certification of said goods. A free trade agreement that covers all goods and certification of said goods is called ............ a customs union. If it does not cover all goods and only some of them you need a border to check that only those goods covered enter freely and those not covered do not.

End of the day, if the EU want an open border then they better start talking Free Trade, otherwise its their own fault because BREXIT is a foregone conclusion either way.

They have offered the UK the chance to not be in the EU but remain with a free trade trade agreement that will allow all goods to move freely between the Ireland and NI. It is called the customs union and we have so far rejected that offer.

And worse case scenario is that the UK can have a separate agreement with Ireland anyway unless the EU won't let them...

This is a non issue.

That is saying that Ireland should leave the EU customs area in order to make it easy for the UK to leave the EU.

[Paphitis]

the UK doesn't want to be a part of the customs area and I don't blame them.

Say's who ? Is that how your 'democracy' works then Paphitis ? You just decide what the UK want's and then that becomes the democratic will of the people just because you say it. I would call that 'extreme'. Has the UK population been asked via referendum 'do you want the UK to be part of the EU customs union or not' ? Has a majority of UK's MP's ever voted that they do not want the UK to part of a customs union with the EU ?No it has not. So how do you know what the UK wants ? You do not. The best you can do is claim they wanted to leave the EU and then seek to pervert that legitimate democratic mandate in to what you personally want. That is not democracy and it is extreme.

And, when there is a Free trade agreement, goods can freely criss cross between the Republic and Northern Ireland too.

Only if that free trade agreement covers all and any goods, covers certification of said goods. A free trade agreement that covers all goods and certification of said goods is called ............ a customs union. If it does not cover all goods and only some of them you need a border to check that only those goods covered enter freely and those not covered do not.

End of the day, if the EU want an open border then they better start talking Free Trade, otherwise its their own fault because BREXIT is a foregone conclusion either way.

They have offered the UK the chance to not be in the EU but remain with a free trade trade agreement that will allow all goods to move freely between the Ireland and NI. It is called the customs union and we have so far rejected that offer.

And worse case scenario is that the UK can have a separate agreement with Ireland anyway unless the EU won't let them...

This is a non issue.

That is saying that Ireland should leave the EU customs area in order to make it easy for the UK to leave the EU.

yep that's how democracy works in my book. You hold a vote and then you implement the wishes of the electorate.

The UK can have a Free Trade Deal with the EU. In the meantime, we can have a Hard Brexit till that deal comes to fruition if necessary.

No, the Republic of Ireland can stay in the EU and the UK will do whatever it can and is within its means to accommodate them as far as is practicable and even work with them to keep the border open with a special agreement. I am 100% certain that Boris Johnson isn't going to be a prick towards Ireland and just be a hard ass idiot like the EU is being to Britain.

[erolz66]

Even after 16 plus years of watching you post Paphitis, your level of ignorance and your seeming eagerness to so proudly display such publicly here still does not fail to amaze me.

[Paphitis]

Even after 16 plus years of watching you post Paphitis, your level of ignorance and your seeming eagerness to so proudly display such publicly here still does not fail to amaze me.

because you don't like BREXIT!

I get it but there is nothing ignorant about executing a mandate and negotiating from a position of strength rather than relegating oneself to a position of defeatism which isn't going to get Britain anything.

But I do know your motivation and that is to scupper and derail and that is a deplorable thing that spits in the faces of more than 17 million people.

[miltiades]

Even after 16 plus years of watching you post Paphitis, your level of ignorance and your seeming eagerness to so proudly display such publicly here still does not fail to amaze me.

Erolz, do you ever wonder why I refrain from entering into a civilized debate with this fucking idiot ?? He says " we" refering to the British electorate !! He has ad much connection with UK as I have with Australia.
He was , So he tells us born in Australia of Cypriot parents, has never liv4d in the UK yet he knows it's people more than you or I do.
He derides Cyprus, has done so on numerous occasions but apparently has a Cypriot ID. He also tells us that he is a ...pilot when in fact he is a air steward. He apparently is financially very secure, I bet he hasn't got two pence to run together, a complete and utter iidiot who lacks confidence and common sense. Just tell him, I know you wouldn't, you are too polite, to fuck off so I say that to him. Boy , shut up and continue with your imaginary....flying!! What a first class fucking idiot !!

[Paphitis]

Even after 16 plus years of watching you post Paphitis, your level of ignorance and your seeming eagerness to so proudly display such publicly here still does not fail to amaze me.

Erolz, do you ever wonder why I refrain from entering into a civilized debate with this fucking idiot ?? He says " we" refering to the British electorate !! He has ad much connection with UK as I have with Australia.
He was , So he tells us born in Australia of Cypriot parents, has never liv4d in the UK yet he knows it's people more than you or I do.
He derides Cyprus, has done so on numerous occasions but apparently has a Cypriot ID. He also tells us that he is a ...pilot when in fact he is a air steward. He apparently is financially very secure, I bet he hasn't got two pence to run together, a complete and utter iidiot who lacks confidence and common sense. Just tell him, I know you wouldn't, you are too polite, to fuck off so I say that to him. Boy , shut up and continue with your imaginary....flying!! What a first class fucking idiot !!

You are not capable of civilized debate Miltiades, just a lot of profanity and utter stupidity!

And yes i do care for the UK and wish them all the best. I don't want to see them suffer and I am on THEIR side against the tyrannical EU. it is my duty to support them against this evil organization. I support the freedom loving and proud people of Britain and I admire their spirit and sense of identity. They should be very proud of themselves.

In the not too distant future, Britain would have laid down the precedence for other States to save themselves from oblivion.

[cyprusgrump]

The Boris approach seems to be working...

IRELAND STARTING TO TURN AGAINST VARADKAR’S BREXIT APPROACH

and...

CBI DANCING TO BORIS’S NO DEAL TUNE

No doubt Erolz will tell us that the CBI are now 'extreme Brexiteers'...?

[Paphitis]

The Boris approach seems to be working...

IRELAND STARTING TO TURN AGAINST VARADKAR’S BREXIT APPROACH

and...

CBI DANCING TO BORIS’S NO DEAL TUNE

No doubt Erolz will tell us that the CBI are now 'extreme Brexiteers'...?

Boris' approach is the only way forward.

I for one can't believe people are so stupid to not understand this simple FACT!

If only they can just come out and be real with the true intention of derailing BREXIT despite the democratic wishes of the majority.

[erolz66]

because you don't like BREXIT!

I accept the democratic mandate of the referendum, even though that result was not my personal choice. What I do not accept is that that mandate to leave was a mandate to leave in one specific way an no other , that is a way of leaving that only a minority (extremist leavers) want.

I get it but there is nothing ignorant about executing a mandate and negotiating from a position of strength rather than relegating oneself to a position of defeatism which isn't going to get Britain anything.

The strongest position we had in terms of negotiating our exit was to do so before triggering article 50. From that position we could have 'played hard ball' because we would have had been in a position to cause as much damage or more to the party we were negotiating with if they refused to play ball. Now the only 'leverage' we have left is to threaten to do damage to the EU but vastly more to ourselves if the EU does not play ball. That is a shit negotiating position. The fuck up was not how TM negotiated once we had already given up, by our own choice, our best leverage. The fuck up was to give up that leverage in the first place.

But I do know your motivation and that is to scupper and derail and that is a deplorable thing that spits in the faces of more than 17 million people.

Given that you also 'know' that the Green Line in Cyprus is an 'open border', then what you claim to know about my motivations does not bother me.

So according to you the way I seek to scupper Brexit is to say I will accept ANY form of exit, including a no deal exit, that has democratic legitimacy either of a majority of MP's or the population but I reject ANY form of Brexit that does not have such. What a cunning an devious plan to scupper Brexit.

The people who are putting Brexit happening at all at risk are those who want to leave but only want to leave in one particular way and want to leave that way explicitly without any need to have a democratic mandate for leaving that way. No one is putting Brexit at risk of not happening more that such people.

[Paphitis]

because you don't like BREXIT!

I accept the democratic mandate of the referendum, even though that result was not my personal choice. What I do not accept is that that mandate to leave was a mandate to leave in one specific way an no other , that is a way of leaving that only a minority (extremist leavers) want.

I get it but there is nothing ignorant about executing a mandate and negotiating from a position of strength rather than relegating oneself to a position of defeatism which isn't going to get Britain anything.

The strongest position we had in terms of negotiating our exit was to do so before triggering article 50. From that position we could have 'played hard ball' because we would have had been in a position to cause as much damage or more to the party we were negotiating with if they refused to play ball. Now the only 'leverage' we have left is to threaten to do damage to the EU but vastly more to ourselves if the EU does not play ball. That is a shit negotiating position. The fuck up was not how TM negotiated once we had already given up, by our own choice, our best leverage. The fuck up was to give up that leverage in the first place.

But I do know your motivation and that is to scupper and derail and that is a deplorable thing that spits in the faces of more than 17 million people.

Given that you also 'know' that the Green Line in Cyprus is an 'open border', then what you claim to know about my motivations does not bother me.

So according to you the way I seek to scupper Brexit is to say I will accept ANY form of exit, including a no deal exit, that has democratic legitimacy either of a majority of MP's or the population but I reject ANY form of Brexit that does not have such. What a cunning an devious plan to scupper Brexit.

The people who are putting Brexit happening at all at risk are those who want to leave but only want to leave in one particular way and want to leave that way explicitly without any need to have a democratic mandate for leaving that way. No one is putting Brexit at risk of not happening more that such people.

There is only one way to negotiate with the EU and BREXIT with the EU and you are seeing this with Boris Johnson.

If you are sincere and want the democratic will of the people to come to fruition and for Britain to get a deal with the EU, then you better get on the Boris bandwagon real quick because he knows and does common sense!

Boris has a job to do and is doing it!