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[Paphitis]

Whatever you just posted has maxed out the iPad

Try using postimage.org

It was a bit big...

And can't edit the post now...

Try this...

How long ago did we do that, and where was the bucket?

It says January 2010...?

Who's who?

Left to right,

DT, Kafenes (now deceased), CBBB, Halil, Get Real, Bananiot, CyprusGrump, unknown

[erolz66]

DT, Kafenes (now deceased), CBBB, Halil, Get Real, Bananiot, CyprusGrump, unknown

Unknown on the right is Halil's cousin

[cyprusgrump]

Left to right,

DT, Kafenes (now deceased), CBBB, Halil, Get Real, Bananiot, CyprusGrump, unknown

The meeting led to The Great Buckethead Competition!

[Londonrake]

I thought Cyprusgrump would have been taller.

[Kikapu]

Can anyone explain to us why the Brexit pushers in the BJ’s government starting to call the Irish backstop as being “undemocratic” by the EU? How can a proposal, the backstop for an agreement agreed by 27 EU members vs. 1 against, the UK, still a EU member, can be called undemocratic by these pompous asses. Surely if 52%-48% referendum to leave the EU is Democratic, why isn’t 27 vs.1 for the backstop? Actually, reflecting back, it was 100% democratic, because the UK had also agreed to the backstop with PM May. Only now all of a sudden it has become “undemocratic”. So foolish.

[Paphitis]

Can anyone explain to us why the Brexit pushers in the BJ’s government starting to call the Irish backstop as being “undemocratic” by the EU? How can a proposal, the backstop for an agreement agreed by 27 EU members vs. 1 against, the UK, still a EU member, can be called undemocratic by these pompous asses. Surely if 52%-48% referendum to leave the EU is Democratic, why isn’t 27 vs.1 for the backstop? Actually, reflecting back, it was 100% democratic, because the UK had also agreed to the backstop with PM May. Only now all of a sudden it has become “undemocratic”. So foolish.

This is just another EU trick or obstructionist measure to give Britain a hard time.

It's very easy for Britain to decide to leave the border open with the Republic of Ireland.

The Green Line in Cyprus is open too, and that I would say is much harder.

[erolz66]

It's very easy for Britain to decide to leave the border open with the Republic of Ireland.

There is not a customs area, be it national or mutli national customs union, any where in the world, where there is no border to ensure the integrity of that customs area. None, anywhere in the entire world. Sure the UK could take the sovereign decision to be the only country that has a national customs area that does not ensure its integrity with borders. What it can not do is insist that a customs union of 27 other sovereign nations also do this because it suits the UK.

The Green Line in Cyprus is open too, and that I would say is much harder.

Now the competition here is very very stiff but that may just well be the single most idiotic thing you have ever said. Well done.

The Green Line in Cyprus is NOT open. Today I can go from NI to Ireland and back, with any goods and produce I care to, without anyone having the right to stop me, question me, ask me what I am carrying from one place to another. This is an 'open border'. This is not how the Green Line works.

[Kikapu]

Can anyone explain to us why the Brexit pushers in the BJ’s government starting to call the Irish backstop as being “undemocratic” by the EU? How can a proposal, the backstop for an agreement agreed by 27 EU members vs. 1 against, the UK, still a EU member, can be called undemocratic by these pompous asses. Surely if 52%-48% referendum to leave the EU is Democratic, why isn’t 27 vs.1 for the backstop? Actually, reflecting back, it was 100% democratic, because the UK had also agreed to the backstop with PM May. Only now all of a sudden it has become “undemocratic”. So foolish.

This is just another EU trick or obstructionist measure to give Britain a hard time.

It's very easy for Britain to decide to leave the border open with the Republic of Ireland.

The Green Line in Cyprus is open too, and that I would say is much harder.

I understand the issues, Paphitis. What I don't understand is, what's undemocratic about having the backstop as it is being claimed by BJ and the Brexit pushers?

The EU's position is, after all the violence that took place in N.Ireland before the Good Friday agreement was signed, which has been relatively very peaceful since, the EU does not want to be blamed in the event the border does shut for whatever reason and violence flares up again. Instead, they have added the backstop for some insurance, but if the UK wants to leave without a deal including that includes the backstop, then the UK can take all the blame should violence start again and the blood will be on BJ's hands. The EU does not want to be part of it, but no doubt, the EU will support reunification of Ireland to become as one in the EU.....democratically. This will solve the "backstop" issues once and for all

[Paphitis]

Can anyone explain to us why the Brexit pushers in the BJ’s government starting to call the Irish backstop as being “undemocratic” by the EU? How can a proposal, the backstop for an agreement agreed by 27 EU members vs. 1 against, the UK, still a EU member, can be called undemocratic by these pompous asses. Surely if 52%-48% referendum to leave the EU is Democratic, why isn’t 27 vs.1 for the backstop? Actually, reflecting back, it was 100% democratic, because the UK had also agreed to the backstop with PM May. Only now all of a sudden it has become “undemocratic”. So foolish.

This is just another EU trick or obstructionist measure to give Britain a hard time.

It's very easy for Britain to decide to leave the border open with the Republic of Ireland.

The Green Line in Cyprus is open too, and that I would say is much harder.

I understand the issues, Paphitis. What I don't understand is, what's undemocratic about having the backstop as it is being claimed by BJ and the Brexit pushers?

The EU's position is, after all the violence that took place in N.Ireland before the Good Friday agreement was signed, which has been relatively very peaceful since, the EU does not want to be blamed in the event the border does shut for whatever reason and violence flares up again. Instead, they have added the backstop for some insurance, but if the UK wants to leave without a deal including that includes the backstop, then the UK can take all the blame should violence start again and the blood will be on BJ's hands. The EU does not want to be part of it, but no doubt, the EU will support reunification of Ireland to become as one in the EU.....democratically. This will solve the "backstop" issues once and for all

It should have nothing to do with Europe anyway post EU.

It should be between Northern Ireland and the Republic and I don't believe the UK has a problem or an issue in keeping that border open.

I seriously doubt there will be any violence as a result of BREXIT. That's a complete red herring.

[Paphitis]

It's very easy for Britain to decide to leave the border open with the Republic of Ireland.

There is not a customs area, be it national or mutli national customs union, any where in the world, where there is no border to ensure the integrity of that customs area. None, anywhere in the entire world. Sure the UK could take the sovereign decision to be the only country that has a national customs area that does not ensure its integrity with borders. What it can not do is insist that a customs union of 27 other sovereign nations also do this because it suits the UK.

The Green Line in Cyprus is open too, and that I would say is much harder.

Now the competition here is very very stiff but that may just well be the single most idiotic thing you have ever said. Well done.

The Green Line in Cyprus is NOT open. Today I can go from NI to Ireland and back, with any goods and produce I care to, without anyone having the right to stop me, question me, ask me what I am carrying from one place to another. This is an 'open border'. This is not how the Green Line works.

the UK doesn't want to be a part of the customs area and I don't blame them. they couldn't care less whether the other 26 have one or not.

And, when there is a Free trade agreement, goods can freely criss cross between the Republic and Northern Ireland too.

End of the day, if the EU want an open border then they better start talking Free Trade, otherwise its their own fault because BREXIT is a foregone conclusion either way.

And worse case scenario is that the UK can have a separate agreement with Ireland anyway unless the EU won't let them...

This is a non issue.