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[miltiades]

How about when you called Trump an idiot? Or when you wished us all goodbye and posted your own tombstone?
Have you ever got anything right? Just asking Almost forgot, how about when you said the Cypriot National guard can defeat Turkey? That was a classic !!

[Londonrake]

A lot of people are very angry about what’s happened since June 2016.

Indeed they are and not all of them voted to leave in 2016 either. Those who voted leave have no monopoly on anger, just as they have no monopoly on deciding what is or is not a 'meaningful' exit.

No disrespect but I think that perfectly illustrates why it’s mostly a nugatory effort talking to you about this.

In what I believe was the largest electoral event in the UK’s history, where the question posed was binary and completely straightforward, preceded by a 6 month campaign, the vote was to leave the EU by a FPTP majority of over a million. That’s the largest mandate any British government has ever been given.

Three years later, after just about every devious trick in the book has been used to thwart that result, we are no closer to leaving today than on 24th June 2016. I don’t really know what you feel you have to be angry about (well, apart from losing of course) but that certainly pisses me off.

Did you get the bit about “a day of reckoning ”?

Do you disagree that had it been 52/48 for staying then it would have been game over?

Given the relative positions, do you think anything is served by this interminable circle of ultimately pointless discussion? Except to make you feel a bit better that is.

[Kikapu]

I am just wondering how willing the Brexiters be to support if and when Scotland, N.Ireland and Wales would want to hold a referendum to leave the UK in order to become an independent states, so that they can rejoin the EU if they wish to?

Surely their democratic wishes needs to be respected no matter how much the Brexiters may believe that such a move would be a bad idea for the UK and for the last remainer, England.

Just a thought.

[Paphitis]

How about when you called Trump an idiot? Or when you wished us all goodbye and posted your own tombstone?
Have you ever got anything right? Just asking Almost forgot, how about when you said the Cypriot National guard can defeat Turkey? That was a classic !!

I made a mistake about that.

I am very much on the Trump wagon. And I will not apologize about that.

[Paphitis]

I am just wondering how willing the Brexiters be to support if and when Scotland, N.Ireland and Wales would want to hold a referendum to leave the UK in order to become an independent states, so that they can rejoin the EU if they wish to?

Surely their democratic wishes needs to be respected no matter how much the Brexiters may believe that such a move would be a bad idea for the UK and for the last remainer, England.

Just a thought.

I am sure no one can stop them but after BREXIT, BJ is the guy that can unify the country.

I feel that Wales, Scotland, and N Ireland are better off with the Union and I believe the vast majority will accept that as fact.

Europe is imploding. There are riots in Spain and Paris. Greece is still getting bail outs. Constitutional strife in Belgium and all is not well in Hungary and Germany is falling into a recession. So things are not good in Europe so why would they want to be a part of all that chaos?

[Kikapu]

I am just wondering how willing the Brexiters be to support if and when Scotland, N.Ireland and Wales would want to hold a referendum to leave the UK in order to become an independent states, so that they can rejoin the EU if they wish to?

Surely their democratic wishes needs to be respected no matter how much the Brexiters may believe that such a move would be a bad idea for the UK and for the last remainer, England.

Just a thought.

I am sure no one can stop them but after BREXIT, BJ is the guy that can unify the country.

I feel that Wales, Scotland, and N Ireland are better off with the Union and I believe the vast majority will accept that as fact.

Europe is imploding. There are riots in Spain and Paris. Greece is still getting bail outs. Constitutional strife in Belgium and all is not well in Hungary and Germany is falling into a recession. So things are not good in Europe so why would they want to be a part of all that chaos?

Well, because these three UK states voted overwhelmingly to remain in Europe in the 2016 referendum, that's why.

[cyprusgrump]

I am just wondering how willing the Brexiters be to support if and when Scotland, N.Ireland and Wales would want to hold a referendum to leave the UK in order to become an independent states, so that they can rejoin the EU if they wish to?

Surely their democratic wishes needs to be respected no matter how much the Brexiters may believe that such a move would be a bad idea for the UK and for the last remainer, England.

Just a thought.

Perfectly happy for them to leave if they so chose...

The EU is unlikely to want them but still...

[Paphitis]

I am just wondering how willing the Brexiters be to support if and when Scotland, N.Ireland and Wales would want to hold a referendum to leave the UK in order to become an independent states, so that they can rejoin the EU if they wish to?

Surely their democratic wishes needs to be respected no matter how much the Brexiters may believe that such a move would be a bad idea for the UK and for the last remainer, England.

Just a thought.

I am sure no one can stop them but after BREXIT, BJ is the guy that can unify the country.

I feel that Wales, Scotland, and N Ireland are better off with the Union and I believe the vast majority will accept that as fact.

Europe is imploding. There are riots in Spain and Paris. Greece is still getting bail outs. Constitutional strife in Belgium and all is not well in Hungary and Germany is falling into a recession. So things are not good in Europe so why would they want to be a part of all that chaos?

Well, because these three UK states voted overwhelmingly to remain in Europe in the 2016 referendum, that's why.

The referendum was a National Vote.

It was never agreed that this referendum would be geographical.

But if they want to join, they can go right ahead I suppose. but why would they? In the end, that would not be wise.

[Londonrake]

I am just wondering how willing the Brexiters be to support if and when Scotland, N.Ireland and Wales would want to hold a referendum to leave the UK in order to become an independent states, so that they can rejoin the EU if they wish to?

Surely their democratic wishes needs to be respected no matter how much the Brexiters may believe that such a move would be a bad idea for the UK and for the last remainer, England.

Just a thought.

Scotland had a referendum on whether it wished to stay in the UK in 2014. It was, if you recall, a “Once in a lifetime” event (just like Cameron and many others said about the E.U. referendum), according to Alex Salmond at the time. The SNP failed, by a significant number of votes. The SNP’s entire raison d’etre is independence, so of course they will never give up until they get the “right” result. Sound familiar?

Scotland and NI cost the rest of the UK about £29billion a year in various subsidies. If they want to leave a 300 year old, successful, union so they can join another younger and much more remotely governed one that’s entirely up to them. I suspect, given the state of their economies, it would be a painful process.

I had a home in Scotland for 20 years. My kids grew up there and still live in the place. They’re quite a savvy people and I think it would be a very neat trick if Sturgeon could manage to persuade them on that one. Basically, to the single issue SNP, Brexit is just another “once in a lifetime” opportunity for a further referendum. It’s a farce but ultimately their choice. I know where my money will be.

BTW. The SNP have been a total disaster with their governance of Scotland. That was reflected in their huge loss of support at the 2017 election.

[cyprusgrump]

I am just wondering how willing the Brexiters be to support if and when Scotland, N.Ireland and Wales would want to hold a referendum to leave the UK in order to become an independent states, so that they can rejoin the EU if they wish to?

Surely their democratic wishes needs to be respected no matter how much the Brexiters may believe that such a move would be a bad idea for the UK and for the last remainer, England.

Just a thought.

I am sure no one can stop them but after BREXIT, BJ is the guy that can unify the country.

I feel that Wales, Scotland, and N Ireland are better off with the Union and I believe the vast majority will accept that as fact.

Europe is imploding. There are riots in Spain and Paris. Greece is still getting bail outs. Constitutional strife in Belgium and all is not well in Hungary and Germany is falling into a recession. So things are not good in Europe so why would they want to be a part of all that chaos?

Well, because these three UK states voted overwhelmingly to remain in Europe in the 2016 referendum, that's why.

Except Wales voted to Leave...

Be careful or Erolz will be calling you a liar...