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[cyprusgrump]

If you or the welsh want that to change then elect in people who can and will change it, as your national leader and or as you MEPs. You might not like the decisions made on your behalf by those you have democratically elected but hey that is how democracy works a lot of the time.

Yep and we've now changed the national leader and the MEPs...

And if we don't get Brexit we'll change the MPs too... and possibly the national leader again!

I suspect the UK won't be voting for Pre-Accession Assistance in the future...

[erolz66]

You lose all credibility when you cite 'extreme leavers'...

There is nothing extreme about the 17.4 million ordinary people that used their democratic vote to leave the EU...

I am NOT the one claiming to know with absolute certainty what every one who voted to leave thought about leaving but staying in a customs union and if this was 'leaving or not'. You are the one constantly making such claims and variants of them, like the reason parliament voted down May's deal was because parliament did not think the deal was Brexit or Brexit enough. That is what makes you, in my view, an 'extreme leaver' as opposed to just someone who voted leave. 17.4 million voted to leave. You are the one who claims to know as indisputable fact that all of them also think if we were to leave but remain in a customs union with the EU that would not be brexit to them.

Nor is there anything extreme in those MPs that chose to represent the views of those that voted them into the job...

You mean MP's like Raab, whos constituents voted to remain ?

I'll remind you once again of the numbers...

Of course you will because what else do you have ? You will not or can not address the points I have made, so what else can you do ?

[Jerry]

Not my facts, the CBI's, feel free to quote a reliable source that disproves them. As for the 10 x figure, I think you misunderstand; it's the multiplier effect of actually belonging to the EU rather than cash being paid directly to the UK. The UK has a bigger economy because of the workers from the EU. For example,

Well, we've tried it for 40 years and yet, and yet given the option to leave more than half of the UK population chose to do so...

So once we leave we can see if you and the CBI (who take funds from the EU) were right or not... And if you are right we can have another vote in 40 years and go back...

We're leaving get over it!

NO, just over half of those who voted OVER THREE YEARS AGO voted to leave. Genuine democracy would ask eighteen year olds what they would like TODAY. The democratic process preceding General Elections requires a change that immediately follows "discussion" by the public and politicians but in the case of Brexit even after three years+ the change has not taken place. Why do Brexiteers find it so difficult to accept that leaving is not something the majority want today (check the polls). The simple answer from simpletons is " it's the what people want" - NO it's what 52% of those who voted wanted three years ago. Let's do the honest thing and see if they still want to leave the EU but the Leavers won't have it because they know they will lose.

Parliament will force a General Election before October 31, yes some turkeys will vote for Christmas, we will have a hung Parliament and no Brexit. Kipper Johnson will be the shortest serving PM ever - get over it

[Kikapu]

Not my facts, the CBI's, feel free to quote a reliable source that disproves them. As for the 10 x figure, I think you misunderstand; it's the multiplier effect of actually belonging to the EU rather than cash being paid directly to the UK. The UK has a bigger economy because of the workers from the EU. For example,

Well, we've tried it for 40 years and yet, and yet given the option to leave more than half of the UK population chose to do so...

So once we leave we can see if you and the CBI (who take funds from the EU) were right or not... And if you are right we can have another vote in 40 years and go back...

We're leaving get over it!

NO, just over half of those who voted OVER THREE YEARS AGO voted to leave. Genuine democracy would ask eighteen year olds what they would like TODAY. The democratic process preceding General Elections requires a change that immediately follows "discussion" by the public and politicians but in the case of Brexit even after three years+ the change has not taken place. Why do Brexiteers find it so difficult to accept that leaving is not something the majority want today (check the polls). The simple answer from simpletons is " it's the what people want" - NO it's what 52% of those who voted wanted three years ago. Let's do the honest thing and see if they still want to leave the EU but the Leavers won't have it because they know they will lose.

Parliament will force a General Election before October 31, yes some turkeys will vote for Christmas, we will have a hung Parliament and no Brexit. Kipper Johnson will be the shortest serving PM ever - get over it

Well, I guess BJ’s PM’s pension will be secured for serving only a short time!

[cyprusgrump]

I am NOT the one claiming to know with absolute certainty what every one who voted to leave thought about leaving but staying in a customs union and if this was 'leaving or not'.

Except we do know because as I (and other Leavers) have pointed out on numerous occasions it was a binary choice...

And we voted Leave the European Union...

You see, it even says on the form, Vote only once!

[cyprusgrump]

Not my facts, the CBI's, feel free to quote a reliable source that disproves them. As for the 10 x figure, I think you misunderstand; it's the multiplier effect of actually belonging to the EU rather than cash being paid directly to the UK. The UK has a bigger economy because of the workers from the EU. For example,

Well, we've tried it for 40 years and yet, and yet given the option to leave more than half of the UK population chose to do so...

So once we leave we can see if you and the CBI (who take funds from the EU) were right or not... And if you are right we can have another vote in 40 years and go back...

We're leaving get over it!

NO, just over half of those who voted OVER THREE YEARS AGO voted to leave. Genuine democracy would ask eighteen year olds what they would like TODAY. The democratic process preceding General Elections requires a change that immediately follows "discussion" by the public and politicians but in the case of Brexit even after three years+ the change has not taken place. Why do Brexiteers find it so difficult to accept that leaving is not something the majority want today (check the polls). The simple answer from simpletons is " it's the what people want" - NO it's what 52% of those who voted wanted three years ago. Let's do the honest thing and see if they still want to leave the EU but the Leavers won't have it because they know they will lose.

Parliament will force a General Election before October 31, yes some turkeys will vote for Christmas, we will have a hung Parliament and no Brexit. Kipper Johnson will be the shortest serving PM ever - get over it

The numbers are against you Jerry, get over it!

And the problem with your call for a second referendum now is that Remainer politicians are now openly admitting thatif we voted Leave again they still wouldn't accept the result!

[erolz66]

I am NOT the one claiming to know with absolute certainty what every one who voted to leave thought about leaving but staying in a customs union and if this was 'leaving or not'. /quote]

Except we do know because as I (and other Leavers) have pointed out on numerous occasions it was a binary choice...

And we voted Leave the European Union...

You see, it even says on the form, Vote only once!

Round and round we go. You keep claiming , repeatedly that all those who voted to leave support us leaving without a deal and consider leaving but remaining in the customs union would not be brexit. Or leaving and not remaining in customs union but under the terms in TM's deal is also not Brexit. Am I wrong ? Are you not claiming this ? Did I imagine it ?

I know for a fact that not all those who voted leave consider us leaving but remaining in a customs union with the EU to not be leaving at all, because I know the people personally and have asked them directly. I know for a fact that a majority of MP's did not support us leaving without a deal back in March. I know that the polls indicate there is not a majority amongst the UK population for leaving without a deal and never has been. So what do you have ? From what I can see, just your insistence that all those who voted leave must and can only consider that leaving the EU but remaining in a customs union is not Brexit for no other reason that this is what you personally think, backed up with 'lies' like the reason parliament (as opposed to extreme leaver MPs) rejected TM's deal with the EU is because it was not Brexit or Brexit enough.

There are those that support leaving, have always supported leaving that are not in my book 'extreme' because they do not place wanting to leave and wanting to convince other to leave above actual truth and reality. Just one example might be

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/arti ... t-mad.html

I disagree with much of what he says but what he does NOT do, that for me means he is not an 'extreme' leaver, is deny that there is any 'problem' , democratically, constitutionally or in terms of how the leave campaign was pitched, with the idea of poroguing parliament to force through a no deal exit against the will of Parliament. He shows that reality still has some meaning and point for him and he will not just ignore , deny, twist or distort it just to 'promote' brexit. That is why I would not consider this leaver an extreme one. You on the other hand .....

[Jerry]

Not my facts, the CBI's, feel free to quote a reliable source that disproves them. As for the 10 x figure, I think you misunderstand; it's the multiplier effect of actually belonging to the EU rather than cash being paid directly to the UK. The UK has a bigger economy because of the workers from the EU. For example,

Well, we've tried it for 40 years and yet, and yet given the option to leave more than half of the UK population chose to do so...

So once we leave we can see if you and the CBI (who take funds from the EU) were right or not... And if you are right we can have another vote in 40 years and go back...

We're leaving get over it!

NO, just over half of those who voted OVER THREE YEARS AGO voted to leave. Genuine democracy would ask eighteen year olds what they would like TODAY. The democratic process preceding General Elections requires a change that immediately follows "discussion" by the public and politicians but in the case of Brexit even after three years+ the change has not taken place. Why do Brexiteers find it so difficult to accept that leaving is not something the majority want today (check the polls). The simple answer from simpletons is " it's the what people want" - NO it's what 52% of those who voted wanted three years ago. Let's do the honest thing and see if they still want to leave the EU but the Leavers won't have it because they know they will lose.

Parliament will force a General Election before October 31, yes some turkeys will vote for Christmas, we will have a hung Parliament and no Brexit. Kipper Johnson will be the shortest serving PM ever - get over it

The numbers are against you Jerry, get over it!

And the problem with your call for a second referendum now is that Remainer politicians are now openly admitting thatif we voted Leave again they still wouldn't accept the result!

Hilarious "The numbers are against you Jerry, get over it" and then he quotes a source that says 160 MPs voted Leave and 486 Remain. Are you not aware that it's the MPs, not us plebs, that will determine the outcome.

Come back with your "get over it" jibes on November 1st

[Paphitis]

You also told us that Assad will be removed Along with other such shit.
You also called Trump an idiot whereas now he is the apple of your eye.
You also stated that you Hate Putin more than you hate ISIS.You also posted your own tombstone on this forum. Inconsistency is your signature.

Assad will be removed one way or another in time.

He has a war with Israel.

[Paphitis]

Great then. We agree that Britain can BREXIT by 31st of October, deal or no deal.

We can only leave on the 31st of October without a deal if parliament consents by majority, either directly or by default (by doing nothing until then). That is how democracy works in the UK and has done for hundreds of years or if the EU refuse to grant an extension should parliament force the government to ask for one.

Johnson has claimed the chance of a no deal exit are a million to one. Well he is just like you, big mouth but not prepared to put his money where his mouth is. Would he take a £1000 bet with me, and ill be generous with him I'll only ask for 100,000 to one odds not the million to one he claims to believe is true. Of course he would not because he does NOT believe what he says. If he BELIEVED it he would jump at the chance of taking such a bet at 1/10th the odds he claims to believe are true.

they don't need parliamentary consent actually.

They got consent from the people and I am afraid that holds up in any court I know at least in democratic countries like Australia.