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[erolz66]

This is your decision. The Government will implement what you decide.

Maybe EROLZ is saying its false advertising?

The government tried to implement what the people decided and they have so far failed because extreme brexiters claim that what they voted for (to leave) is actually something that was not on the ballot at all and have blocked all attempts to implement the will of the people expressed in the referendum unless it is a form of leaving that they want and that there is NOT a democratic majority in support of, in parliament or in the population as far as we can know that.

There is a REASON why neither you or cyprusgrump can or will answer the simple question

Is Turkey in the EU ? Yes or No ?

And the reason why you can not and will not answer this question shows that you are all rhetoric and demagoguery and little else as far as I am concerned.

[Paphitis]

This is your decision. The Government will implement what you decide.

Maybe EROLZ is saying its false advertising?

The government tried to implement what the people decided and they have so far failed because extreme brexiters claim that what they voted for (to leave) is actually something that was not on the ballot at all and have blocked all attempts to implement the will of the people expressed in the referendum unless it is a form of leaving that they want and that there is NOT a democratic majority in support of, in parliament or in the population as far as we can know that.

There is a REASON why neither you or cyprusgrump can or will answer the simple question

Is Turkey in the EU ? Yes or No ?

And the reason why you can not and will not answer this question shows that you are all rhetoric and demagoguery and little else as far as I am concerned.

No they have not failed.

They have not tried Hard BREXIT. Which is the only way forward in this situation.

Going forth as a beggar has failed.

[cyprusgrump]

The government tried to implement what the people decided and they have so far failed because extreme brexiters claim that what they voted for (to leave) is actually something that was not on the ballot at all and have blocked all attempts to implement the will of the people expressed in the referendum unless it is a form of leaving that they want and that there is NOT a democratic majority in support of, in parliament or in the population as far as we can know that.

This is utter nonsense and you know it...

Blimey, you accuse me of lying!

We voted to leave and Remainer PM May offered the WA instead... which was rejected by all parts of the house on several occasions... And you know why?

Because the WA is not Brexit.

[erolz66]

Is Turkey in the EU ?

[Paphitis]

Is Turkey in the EU ?

If they were, everyone will EXIT!

[cyprusgrump]

Is Turkey in the EU ?

No, obviously not, why are you obsessed by it...?

Is Canada...? Because they seem to have a FTA with the EU which is apparently not available to the UK without free movement, ECJ, etc. Etc...

[erolz66]

Is Turkey in the EU ?

If they were, everyone will EXIT!

So you are saying Turkey is NOT in the EU ? Do I understand you correctly ?

[Jerry]

So how much does the EU cost us each year? According to this source the 1% of GDP it costs us is far outweighed by the benefits of membership.If the pie chart is remotely accurate then the whinging Brexiteers simply don't have a case. https://www.richardcorbett.org.uk/eu-me ... a-fortune/

Personally, I think thirteen Billion Pounds a year (and rising) is not an insignificant sum.

Moreover, I'd prefer thirteen Billion Pounds a year to be spent by people I can vote for (or not)...

Fortunately, 17.4 million people in the UK agree with me...

You obviously failed to understand this bit " the Confederation of British Industry estimates that EU membership is worth £3000 a year to every British family — a return of nearly £10 for each £1 we pay in.

As for being spent by people you vote for, whenever the people you voted for are in opposition ..... get it? Besides you can vote for our EU MPs, you may have voted for our representative on the 28 member European Council (currently Kipper Johnson) and one of the EU Commissioners will hold his position because our democratically elected government sent him to Brussels. Cameron nominated Sir Julian King as our Commissioner, he currently holds the security portfolio.

How do you know why 17.4 million people agree with you? People voted for a multitude of reasons; the highest Leave vote was in Boston where, surprise surprise, more than 13% of the population are EU nationals.

Yes, the CBI's forecasts have been so accurate with regard to EU membership haven't they?

What a joke! £10 for every £1 we pay in???

Oh what a good idea, let's just dismiss opposing views as a joke instead of backing up yours with reliable facts.

Nothing to say about paragraphs two and three I see.

[erolz66]

Is Turkey in the EU ?

No, obviously not, why are you obsessed by it...?

The obsession is yours not mine. It is the obsession that should the UK leave the EU yet remain in the customs union it will still be in the EU and the instance that very single voter who voted leave in the referendum also thinks exactly the same as you do - that leaving the EU whilst remaining in the customs union is to not leave at all. It is clearly nonsense. Turkey is in the customs union. It is not in the EU. The UK could leave the EU and be in the customs union and it wil still not be in the EU, just as Turkey is not in the EU.

Is Canada...? Because they seem to have a FTA with the EU which is apparently not available to the UK without free movement, ECJ, etc. Etc...

We can go for a Canada deal. What is not possible is to have a deal like the one with Canada without that requiring more barriers to trade with the EU than we currently have. It just is not possible. Goods from Canada to the EU (and visa versa) will still have to pass customs. Even as far as 'no tariffs' goes the Canada / EU deal covers only a fraction of goods that being a member of the EU covers and does not cover services at all. Nothing wrong with a Canada like deal. Much wrong with making out that a Canada style deal can and will give us the same level of trade benefit we currently have with the EU. It can not and will not. That is just reality. In reality May's deal was leading to a Canada style deal but that was not enough for the extreme brexit faction.

[Paphitis]

So how much does the EU cost us each year? According to this source the 1% of GDP it costs us is far outweighed by the benefits of membership.If the pie chart is remotely accurate then the whinging Brexiteers simply don't have a case. https://www.richardcorbett.org.uk/eu-me ... a-fortune/

Personally, I think thirteen Billion Pounds a year (and rising) is not an insignificant sum.

Moreover, I'd prefer thirteen Billion Pounds a year to be spent by people I can vote for (or not)...

Fortunately, 17.4 million people in the UK agree with me...

You obviously failed to understand this bit " the Confederation of British Industry estimates that EU membership is worth £3000 a year to every British family — a return of nearly £10 for each £1 we pay in.

As for being spent by people you vote for, whenever the people you voted for are in opposition ..... get it? Besides you can vote for our EU MPs, you may have voted for our representative on the 28 member European Council (currently Kipper Johnson) and one of the EU Commissioners will hold his position because our democratically elected government sent him to Brussels. Cameron nominated Sir Julian King as our Commissioner, he currently holds the security portfolio.

How do you know why 17.4 million people agree with you? People voted for a multitude of reasons; the highest Leave vote was in Boston where, surprise surprise, more than 13% of the population are EU nationals.

Yes, the CBI's forecasts have been so accurate with regard to EU membership haven't they?

What a joke! £10 for every £1 we pay in???

Oh what a good idea, let's just dismiss opposing views as a joke instead of backing up yours with reliable facts.

Nothing to say about paragraphs two and three I see.

The view isn't dismissed, but I fail to see scientific evidence. It's a nothing statement.

opposing views are fine, but a referendum was also held and a decision was made by the people.