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[Lordo]

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You Remainers remind me of those Japanese soldiers still fighting WW2 years after it ended...

Here is the thing...

1) The Conservatives called the referendum
2) Leave won
3) A Remain biased parliament has wasted three years trying to thwart the will of the people
4) As a result of 3), May has been ousted and a Leave favouring PM and cabinet put in her place
5) If we don't leave there will be a GE
6) The numbers (below) will result in a big majority for Leave in the new government
7) We will leave.

Simples!

simples indeed an ameoba has more logic.
there is zero chance of leaving unless there is a new parliemnt and they vote to leave without a deal. backstop will not be removed even if there is no deal. just what is it you don't get about the backstop, why it can't be removed.

[cyprusgrump]

You see the ballot paper I posted above (and again below)...?

Read it carefully, you'll see there are just two options: -

1) Remain a member of the European Union
2) Leave the European Union

Now, if there was a third box which said something along the lines of 'Leave the European Union in name only, remain tied to the EU in many ways, introduce a backstop which would be difficult and possibly impossible to get out of, etc.' and more people ticked that box then you might have a point.

But it didn't say that did it? The most popular option was Leave the European Union so there really is nothing 'extreme' in opposing the WA that MAY was so keen on forcing through...

May, in case you hadn't noticed being a Remainer...

What makes you an 'extreme' leaver in my eyes is this statement that 'remaining tied to the EU in many (any) ways after Brexit is to have not left at all'. This is nonsense. No one considers that Turkey is in the EU in all but name. No one. Not before the referendum and not after it. Yet I am supposed to believe that if the UK were to leave the EU and remain in the or a customs union we would not have left the EU. I am supposed to believe that every person who voted leave believes that Turkey is in the EU in all but name. I do not believe this. It is nonsense and clearly so imo. The truth is there is only ONE definition as to if a country is in the EU or not. If you have an equal seat at the table as all other members then you are in the EU. If you do not then you are not. Simple.

We are agreed then, it is simple. We want out!

No Customs Union, no Single Market, no ECJ, no backstop etc.

We can trade freely if the EU chooses and be involved in Euratom and other projects of our choosing but we voted Leave the European Union and that is what we expect to happen.

There is nothing extreme in that...

[cyprusgrump]

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You Remainers remind me of those Japanese soldiers still fighting WW2 years after it ended...

Here is the thing...

1) The Conservatives called the referendum
2) Leave won
3) A Remain biased parliament has wasted three years trying to thwart the will of the people
4) As a result of 3), May has been ousted and a Leave favouring PM and cabinet put in her place
5) If we don't leave there will be a GE
6) The numbers (below) will result in a big majority for Leave in the new government
7) We will leave.

Simples!

simples indeed an ameoba has more logic.
there is zero chance of leaving unless there is a new parliemnt and they vote to leave without a deal. backstop will not be removed even if there is no deal. just what is it you don't get about the backstop, why it can't be removed.

Perhaps you can explain why it can't be removed...?

See points 1, 2, 5, 6 and 7 above...

[erolz66]

We are agreed then, it is simple. We want out!

No Customs Union, no Single Market, no ECJ, no backstop etc.

Where did it say anything about Customs Union, Single Market on the referendum ballot ? It did not say anything about these. It said leave or stay. If May's deal had been passed we would today be OUT of the EU. If May had sought and got a cross party consensus for leaving whilst remaining in some kind of customs union we would be OUT of the EU (just as Turkey is NOT IN THE EU). It is your instance that the vote to leave, has to be a vote to leave the way YOU want and nothing else, and that what you want has to be what everyone who voted leave wanted when they voted, that makes your position extreme and inherently democratically deficient too. It is that extremism that is thwarting the will of the people more than anything as far as I am concerned.

but we voted Leave the European Union and that is what we expect to happen.

Is Turkey in EU ? Yes or No ? Why can you not answer this question ? Your 'extremism' is shown by your refusal to answer it as far as I am concerned.

[Paphitis]

When was the last time you visited England? Which part of the " English culture" impressed you most ? Perhaps the queues awaiting for the Royal baby to arrive? Or could it be, in the words of the Clown, letter boxes appearing every 10 steps? Maybe the daily stabbings or the ever present Traffic wardens? Perhaps the plethora of cameras waiting to catch motorists with their front tyre touching tge white line? Mate, there is NO longer " English culture" there is third world culture.
16.1 million voted remain, do they not count? The narrow minded litlle Englanders who are unable to see further than their noses voted leave in order to ....preserve the English culture !!!! There is not one valid economic reason why we should come out of the EU. Just look at Stetling!!! Surely it's fall tells you something .

How sad for a person who has lived their whole life to write such a post.

Every culture has its beauty, including the English.

The English are known for their stiff upper lip and stoicism. They are a strong and regimented group of people who have achieved great things through society and since you mention the Monarchy, they actually have the longest and oldest and most stable system of Government that the world has ever known.

As such, I have strong beliefs about the Britain being AOK post BREXIT. In fact, I believe they will go on and succeed just like they have always done.

[Paphitis]

BTW, the people are the greatest sovereign entity of any democratic nation. Parliamentarians are the elected servants of the people, and a referendum of millions of voters exceeds the vote of a couple of hundred parliamentarians.

BJ is fully entitled to proceed with NO DEAL BREXIT no matter what the Parliament has to say.

[miltiades]

Typical narrow minded little englander absolute plonker with 2 rusty brain cells.
We voted he says ! Yes the fucking idiots such as you voted. We did not, neither was the referendum anything but informative. Idiots such as you voted leave because they had no idea what leaving entailed , lied to by a clown and an arsehole. Now you and other minded LEs do not give a shit about the dire consequences of such an act. Oh no, Rule Britania.....
Listen you fucking moron, why is our pound at 1.11 es when before Jiune 2016 it was over 1.30. Answer you stupid idiotic fucking peasant .

[Paphitis]

Typical narrow minded little englander absolute plonker with 2 rusty brain cells.
We voted he says ! Yes the fucking idiots such as you voted. We did not, neither was the referendum anything but informative. Idiots such as you voted leave because they had no idea what leaving entailed , lied to by a clown and an arsehole. Now you and other minded LEs do not give a shit about the dire consequences of such an act. Oh no, Rule Britania.....
Listen you fucking moron, why is our pound at 1.11 es when before Jiune 2016 it was over 1.30. Answer you stupid idiotic fucking peasant .

Go and have a sook yopu little cry baby!

You don't like the result but don't say they don't know what it entails. They know alright and the people chose Britain!

[Jerry]

So how much does the EU cost us each year? According to this source the 1% of GDP it costs us is far outweighed by the benefits of membership.If the pie chart is remotely accurate then the whinging Brexiteers simply don't have a case. https://www.richardcorbett.org.uk/eu-me ... a-fortune/

Personally, I think thirteen Billion Pounds a year (and rising) is not an insignificant sum.

Moreover, I'd prefer thirteen Billion Pounds a year to be spent by people I can vote for (or not)...

Fortunately, 17.4 million people in the UK agree with me...

You obviously failed to understand this bit " the Confederation of British Industry estimates that EU membership is worth £3000 a year to every British family — a return of nearly £10 for each £1 we pay in.

As for being spent by people you vote for, whenever the people you voted for are in opposition ..... get it? Besides you can vote for our EU MPs, you may have voted for our representative on the 28 member European Council (currently Kipper Johnson) and one of the EU Commissioners will hold his position because our democratically elected government sent him to Brussels. Cameron nominated Sir Julian King as our Commissioner, he currently holds the security portfolio.

How do you know why 17.4 million people agree with you? People voted for a multitude of reasons; the highest Leave vote was in Boston where, surprise surprise, more than 13% of the population are EU nationals.

[cyprusgrump]

We are agreed then, it is simple. We want out!

No Customs Union, no Single Market, no ECJ, no backstop etc.

Where did it say anything about Customs Union, Single Market on the referendum ballot ? It did not say anything about these. It said leave or stay. If May's deal had been passed we would today be OUT of the EU. If May had sought and got a cross party consensus for leaving whilst remaining in some kind of customs union we would be OUT of the EU (just as Turkey is NOT IN THE EU). It is your instance that the vote to leave, has to be a vote to leave the way YOU want and nothing else, and that what you want has to be what everyone who voted leave wanted when they voted, that makes your position extreme and inherently democratically deficient too. It is that extremism that is thwarting the will of the people more than anything as far as I am concerned.

but we voted Leave the European Union and that is what we expect to happen.

Is Turkey in EU ? Yes or No ? Why can you not answer this question ? Your 'extremism' is shown by your refusal to answer it as far as I am concerned.

*sigh*

Remember earlier in this thread when I said debating with Remainers was like playing Whack-a-Mole, you just keep popping up with the same tired old arguments again and again and again...?

How many times do I have to post this video which answers your question...?