Kikapu wrote:cyprusgrump wrote:Kikapu wrote:cyprusgrump wrote:Kikapu wrote:I think the only way the “UK” is ever going to succeed with Brexit with the EU, is to let Northern Ireland unite with Ireland and let Wales and Scotland hold a referendum if they too want to leave the UK to become part of the EU. If we are going to be democratic in all this Brexit mess to fulfill people’s Democratic votes regardless what political and legal challenges it may cause, then let’s do it across the board. It may be that, then England can have a true deal with the EU that will satisfy everyone. The UK is a signatory to the “Good Friday” agreement and if Brexit undermines that agreement that will create political and legal problems to Ireland and N. Ireland, then either Brexit cannot happen without an agreement or the UK can let N.Ireland go and deal with the consequences after without involvement of the EU. Then the UK can deal with Wales and Scotland afterward, which may well be that they will also would want to be part of the EU. One way or the other, the UK will need to pay a price in wanting Brexit in one form or the other.......democratically.
The UK voted
democratically for Brexit.
The NI 'problem' is just one of many that have been thrown in the way to try and stop Brexit.
Once we implement the democratically chosen path of leaving the EU then we can see how it all works and review the union.
Seriously, do you think Wales and Scotland are going to swap the rule from Westminster for rule from Brussels, take on the €uro...?
Yes, the UK voted democratically to leave the EU, and that should be done, but ONLY if the UK can fulfill it’s legal and political obligation, and not just to the EU, but also to parts within the UK, mainly to N. Ireland, particularly to the “Good Friday” agreements. Just by having a Democratic vote does not automatically grant people’s Democratic wishes if it has legal obstacles to get through first. All these problems should have been resolved before the referendum took place 3 years ago, so now, it is being dealt with it now but always against the ticking clock for time to resolve it, which doesn’t seem to be possible unless the UK is willing to lose part or most of itself.
But
what 'legal and political obligations' prevent Brexit...?
The whole Brexit holdup is in regards to Ireland and N. Ireland. Ireland does not want a hard border and neither does N. Ireland (except for some) or else it will cause legal and political challenges to the “Good Friday “ agreements. Does anyone really want to go back to the days of what it way like before the “Good Friday” agreements? The EU doesn’t want to risk it going back, hence the “backstop” but the UK wants to take the chances it appears without the “backstop”. Regardless whether or not each side using the “backstop” as a political football to push it’s will remains to be seen.
But the whole 'hard boarder' thing is Remainer nonsense...
The EU have said they will not implement a hard boarder.
Ireland have said they will not implement a hard boarder.
The UK have said they will not implement a hard boarder.
They already track goods movements away from the boarder because of VAT differences.
Apart from anything else, it is almost impossible to implement a hard boarder because of the geography - the British Army couldn't do it with thousands of troops and helicopters.
The backstop and hard boarder are just obstacles created by Remain politicians that have wasted the past three years.
