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[Paphitis]

just a few myths from the brexiteers.
1. ghe germans will not allow the eu to interfere with their exports. wrong. each country or corporation cannot make such decision the whole of the eu has to. it just goes to show they have no logic. if germans could do such a deal by themselves we would not need to leave to be able make such deal with countries outside the eu.

GERMAN MANUFACTURING ‘FREE FALLS’ TO WORST LEVEL IN 7 YEARS

Yarp, I can't see the German manufacturing giants making a fuss so that the UK can continue to buy their cars, washing machines and dishwashers eh...?

BJ has thrown down the gauntlet. It's a wait and see now but no matter what, Britain must move forward.

[miltiades]

Trump is over the moon with the new UK PM !! They do say it takes one to know one, although I would respectfully add , it takes one to know two. It seems that Paphitis who once described Trump as an idiot, now adores the Clown who incidentally promised the Brits a new ... golden era.!! Living in a fool's paradise comes to mind !!
Trump describes The Clown as ....Britains Donald Trump. Its getting hilarious

[Kikapu]

Boris Johnson has finally added some logical thinking and is acting from a position of strength.

Past policy and actions from the traitorous Teresa May and British Parliament have placed Britain in an awkward position of weakness by ruling out no deal BREXIT.

Today, Boris Johnson said that Britain will ‘turbocharge’ towards a no deal BREXIT and invited the EU to the negotiating table.

Even if the EU do not, Britain is now talking the talk and walking the walk and the EU need to be a bit more considerate or face some consequences as well. It’s a double edged sword here if the motivator is capitalism and money.

Bravo Boris. Bravo!

If Boris keeps this up, he is the next Winston and will be PM for 10 years.

The EU said they will look at any new proposal BJ will offer. The EU also said they will not re negotiate the deal they have struck with May. So far the EU has maintained their position 100% since the agreement, so the ball is in BJ‘s court, especially when the British parliament does not support a no deal Brexit. BJ can declare anything all he wants in his first speech as a PM, but as the old famous UK tv commercial in the 70’s use to say, “where is the beef“?

What else would the EU say Kikapu when Britain goes to them like the beggar? This is a business deal, and it must be treated as a business deal. Both parties have something to lose and both have something to gain and the EU are playing hardball because of the stupidity of Theresa May and British Parliament.

Either way, BJ has no choice. He has to issue an intent for no deal or Hard BREXIT. Then invite the EU to the table and wait for their response. A Free Trade is a win win for all parties. When Britain has determined it will go towards hard brexit, then maybe the EU won't be so gun ho. There are so many non EU members right now that have Free Trade with the EU, so why are they saying they are going to punish Britain? I will tell you why? The EU are blackmailing, or trying extortion. This is what I expected from these criminals.

How dare the EU play that game? And to me, it sends a message to other EU countries that have sold out - like Cyprus and Greece for instance.

They are no longer independent countries. They are dependencies. They are now nothing more than a colony like Cyprus was pre 1960. Britain has proven that there is no way out for you poor sods so now, you are at their mercy and they will over the decades dictate and run your society according to their plans.

Whether true or not Kikapu (it will come out in the wash) Britain and BJ have no other choice now but to stick to their guns and proceed towards full scale HARD BREXIT. Begging for a deal will end in tears. I can't believe The British Parliament couldn't work this out. It should be obvious.

UNLESS THEIR TACTIC IS TO SCUPPER BREXIT COMPLETELY....which just goes to show, that Britain is ruled by the elites and not the people who voted and just goes to show that the referendum was just democratic window dressing, which can be ignored when the elites and ruling classes don't like the result or choice of the people.

Here are the problems for BJ.

1. The EU can stick to it’s position of no further negotiations outside what has already been agreed with May.
2. The British Parliament supports the EU’s position by ruling out no “no Brexit” deal.

In the long run, the EU is in far better situation to handle a no Brexit than the UK, even if the Germans sell less cars in the UK initially. British people love their brand name cars, almost obsessed with it, and the German cars tops the list. Pretty soon, the German cars will continue to satisfy the appetite of British for German cars since the British doesn’t make too many luxury cars anymore for the average middle class Brits.

[cyprusgrump]

Trump is over the moon with the new UK PM !! They do say it takes one to know one, although I would respectfully add , it takes one to know two. It seems that Paphitis who once described Trump as an idiot, now adores the Clown who incidentally promised the Brits a new ... golden era.!! Living in a fool's paradise comes to mind !!
Trump describes The Clown as ....Britains Donald Trump. Its getting hilarious

What is really hilarious is some sad old bloke on an obscure forum, who gets his predictions wrong time and time again...

I'm still convinced that Boris will not win and Hunt will be the new PM.

...calling two of the most powerful men in the world clowns!

[Paphitis]

Trump is over the moon with the new UK PM !! They do say it takes one to know one, although I would respectfully add , it takes one to know two. It seems that Paphitis who once described Trump as an idiot, now adores the Clown who incidentally promised the Brits a new ... golden era.!! Living in a fool's paradise comes to mind !!
Trump describes The Clown as ....Britains Donald Trump. Its getting hilarious

We have the Trumpfecta now, in UK, Australia, and USA.

And it's gonna get even better!

[cyprusgrump]

Here are the problems for BJ.

1. The EU can stick to it’s position of no further negotiations outside what has already been agreed with May.
2. The British Parliament supports the EU’s position by ruling out no “no Brexit” deal.

In the long run, the EU is in far better situation to handle a no Brexit than the UK, even if the Germans sell less cars in the UK initially. British people love their brand name cars, almost obsessed with it, and the German cars tops the list. Pretty soon, the German cars will continue to satisfy the appetite of British for German cars since the British doesn’t make too many luxury cars anymore for the average middle class Brits.

Not really, no...

This is a two-way game and the UK imports much more from the EU than it exports.

If the EU chooses to impose high tariffs on UK goods then the UK can reciprocate and inflict much more damage on the EU.

As has been mentioned earlier, BMW, Audi, Mercedes are not so much 'luxury' goods now, the vast majority of sales in the UK are at the lower end where they compete with Ford and Far East manufacturers. Adding 20% on German imports would see customers switch to other brands or force the Germans to move more production (and jobs) abroad...

[Paphitis]

Boris Johnson has finally added some logical thinking and is acting from a position of strength.

Past policy and actions from the traitorous Teresa May and British Parliament have placed Britain in an awkward position of weakness by ruling out no deal BREXIT.

Today, Boris Johnson said that Britain will ‘turbocharge’ towards a no deal BREXIT and invited the EU to the negotiating table.

Even if the EU do not, Britain is now talking the talk and walking the walk and the EU need to be a bit more considerate or face some consequences as well. It’s a double edged sword here if the motivator is capitalism and money.

Bravo Boris. Bravo!

If Boris keeps this up, he is the next Winston and will be PM for 10 years.

The EU said they will look at any new proposal BJ will offer. The EU also said they will not re negotiate the deal they have struck with May. So far the EU has maintained their position 100% since the agreement, so the ball is in BJ‘s court, especially when the British parliament does not support a no deal Brexit. BJ can declare anything all he wants in his first speech as a PM, but as the old famous UK tv commercial in the 70’s use to say, “where is the beef“?

What else would the EU say Kikapu when Britain goes to them like the beggar? This is a business deal, and it must be treated as a business deal. Both parties have something to lose and both have something to gain and the EU are playing hardball because of the stupidity of Theresa May and British Parliament.

Either way, BJ has no choice. He has to issue an intent for no deal or Hard BREXIT. Then invite the EU to the table and wait for their response. A Free Trade is a win win for all parties. When Britain has determined it will go towards hard brexit, then maybe the EU won't be so gun ho. There are so many non EU members right now that have Free Trade with the EU, so why are they saying they are going to punish Britain? I will tell you why? The EU are blackmailing, or trying extortion. This is what I expected from these criminals.

How dare the EU play that game? And to me, it sends a message to other EU countries that have sold out - like Cyprus and Greece for instance.

They are no longer independent countries. They are dependencies. They are now nothing more than a colony like Cyprus was pre 1960. Britain has proven that there is no way out for you poor sods so now, you are at their mercy and they will over the decades dictate and run your society according to their plans.

Whether true or not Kikapu (it will come out in the wash) Britain and BJ have no other choice now but to stick to their guns and proceed towards full scale HARD BREXIT. Begging for a deal will end in tears. I can't believe The British Parliament couldn't work this out. It should be obvious.

UNLESS THEIR TACTIC IS TO SCUPPER BREXIT COMPLETELY....which just goes to show, that Britain is ruled by the elites and not the people who voted and just goes to show that the referendum was just democratic window dressing, which can be ignored when the elites and ruling classes don't like the result or choice of the people.

Here are the problems for BJ.

1. The EU can stick to it’s position of no further negotiations outside what has already been agreed with May.
2. The British Parliament supports the EU’s position by ruling out no “no Brexit” deal.

In the long run, the EU is in far better situation to handle a no Brexit than the UK, even if the Germans sell less cars in the UK initially. British people love their brand name cars, almost obsessed with it, and the German cars tops the list. Pretty soon, the German cars will continue to satisfy the appetite of British for German cars since the British doesn’t make too many luxury cars anymore for the average middle class Brits.

So in other words, the British Parliament are betraying the National Interest and the will of the popular democratic vote by siding with the EU to scupper the BREXIT.

Well then Kikapu, it looks like it will be a NO DEAL BREXIT then.

No other choice...

It is illegal for the British Parliament to defy the popular vote of the people by ruling hard BREXIT out. Extremely unconstitutional and if they continue, the naysayers, Corbyn, and others will face the biggest train wreck in their history.

[cyprusgrump]

Do you seriously believe this argument ?

Lets say I spend £85 a week on shopping at Tesco's. Your argument goes along the lines of that £85 per week = £4,4200 per year = £44,200 per 10 years or £132,600 by 2050, so therefore if I stop shopping at Tesco's till 2050 I will be 'economically advantaged' to the tune of £132,600 by 2050. Can you really not see the 'flaw' in such an argument ? Or is it that you have no interest in if the argument is sound or not, only if you think it can influence people the way you want, regardless of the flaws in it ?

Nice try...

So your argument is all the money we send to the EU is for stuff we would buy anyway...?

Why don't we just buy it ourselves then and cut out the middle man? That is what we are going to do when we leave...

And BTW, if the cash we (and the other nett contributors) give to the EU is for stuff we want, where does the EU get the money to splash about like a drunken sailor on shore leave?

I mean seriously, do you think the average working man in the UK with a mortgage and bills to pay is happy that a large amount of the tax he is forced to pay is spunked away by the EU?

Yeah, I know that you have to put food on the table and the kids need new shoes and electricity and fuel are more expensive because of EU regulations but hey, we need your money more because we need to refurbish a market in the 'occupied areas' of Cyprus!

No thanks, we'll take Brexit...

[Kikapu]

I think the only way the “UK” is ever going to succeed with Brexit with the EU, is to let Northern Ireland unite with Ireland and let Wales and Scotland hold a referendum if they too want to leave the UK to become part of the EU. If we are going to be democratic in all this Brexit mess to fulfill people’s Democratic votes regardless what political and legal challenges it may cause, then let’s do it across the board. It may be that, then England can have a true deal with the EU that will satisfy everyone. The UK is a signatory to the “Good Friday” agreement and if Brexit undermines that agreement that will create political and legal problems to Ireland and N. Ireland, then either Brexit cannot happen without an agreement or the UK can let N.Ireland go and deal with the consequences after without involvement of the EU. Then the UK can deal with Wales and Scotland afterward, which may well be that they will also would want to be part of the EU. One way or the other, the UK will need to pay a price in wanting Brexit in one form or the other.......democratically.

[Paphitis]

I think the only way the “UK” is ever going to succeed with Brexit with the EU, is to let Northern Ireland unite with Ireland and let Wales and Scotland hold a referendum if they too want to leave the UK to become part of the EU. If we are going to be democratic in all this Brexit mess to fulfill people’s Democratic votes regardless what political and legal challenges it may cause, then let’s do it across the board. It may be that, then England can have a true deal with the EU that will satisfy everyone. The UK is a signatory to the “Good Friday” agreement and if Brexit undermines that agreement that will create political and legal problems to Ireland and N. Ireland, then either Brexit cannot happen without an agreement or the UK can let N.Ireland go and deal with the consequences after without involvement of the EU. Then the UK can deal with Wales and Scotland afterward, which may well be that they will also would want to be part of the EU. One way or the other, the UK will need to pay a price in wanting Brexit in one form or the other.......democratically.

Problem is everyone is thinking too much and over cooking the pudding.

The only thing Britain needs to do is get on with it and move forward with Northern Ireland, Wales and Scotland and focus on their own unity.

If they want referendums, they can have them but let's not start thinking of all these disastrous sub plots as a means to prevent what is suppose to happen.

The day will come when other European Countries will be thanking Britain. They have shown up the EU as a bunch of fascists. The small countries need to take note of where they stand in the pecking order which is basically nowhere now.

Personally I can't see what seemingly intelligent people are seeing in these faceless parasites in Strasbourg.