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[erolz66]

AFAIUI, May wasn't "forced" by parliament to ask for an Article 50 time extension. She could have ignored it. She didn't because she didn't want to.

You are mistaken. Parliament passed a bill in to law , going through all the readings, 1st, 2nd house of lords (all in 24 hours) that made it UK law that TM, as PM, had to ask the EU for an extension.

IMHO, it has always been the case that you will get no meaningful concession from the EU until it went to the wire.

You do not think TM took it 'to the wire' and still failed to get 'concessions' ? We are past the 'wire' already as far as I can see. The wire was 29th March 2019. We took it to that wire and then asked for more time when concessions where not forth coming.

[MR-from-NG]

AFAIUI, May wasn't "forced" by parliament to ask for an Article 50 time extension. She could have ignored it. She didn't because she didn't want to.

You are mistaken. Parliament passed a bill in to law , going through all the readings, 1st, 2nd house of lords (all in 24 hours) that made it UK law that TM, as PM, had to ask the EU for an extension.

IMHO, it has always been the case that you will get no meaningful concession from the EU until it went to the wire.

You do not think TM took it 'to the wire' and still failed to get 'concessions' ? We are past the 'wire' already as far as I can see. The wire was 29th March 2019. We took it to that wire and then asked for more time when concessions where not forth coming.

Hi Erol,

I have no idea how these quotes are credited to me. Please check, delete and re-post.

[MR-from-NG]

You need to address Cyprusgrump Erol.

[erolz66]

Another first class Plonker has stated that after Brexit there will be HUGE economic advantages for the UK!!
Where do we get these Pockets from, I know, ....Clown cuckoo land !!

Well, £13B each and every year* is not to be sneezed at is it...?

Ten years, £130B!

By 2050 that would be a minimum of Four Hundred Billion Pounds we haven't given away to the EU!

I would say that is a economic advantage of sorts...?

Do you seriously believe this argument ?

Lets say I spend £85 a week on shopping at Tesco's. Your argument goes along the lines of that £85 per week = £4,4200 per year = £44,200 per 10 years or £132,600 by 2050, so therefore if I stop shopping at Tesco's till 2050 I will be 'economically advantaged' to the tune of £132,600 by 2050. Can you really not see the 'flaw' in such an argument ? Or is it that you have no interest in if the argument is sound or not, only if you think it can influence people the way you want, regardless of the flaws in it ?

The fact is we get stuff back in return for what we pay in and almost all of that 'stuff' we get from the EU currently as part of our annual contributions we will have to get from somewhere else when we leave and thus the idea that all we currently spend will equate to 'extra saved' is just propaganda that a unbiased 7 year old could understand. Now there is indeed a part of what we 'pay in' that is not used to pay for stuff we want and need but that is just 'given away' to others - just like the tax income and revenue from England is not spent solely on England but is also spent on wales and other regions in the UK. This is , by design, 'redistribution'. So you want to argue to me that this re-distributive portion of our annual fee to the EU will be saved when we leave, then I have no argument with you because even though it would be better for me as someone who voted to remain to make out that none of our contribution is redistribution, I do not place my belief that we should remain in the EU ahead of facts, logic, reality and truth . However when you come and try and make out that all we pay in today is what we will end up saving by not being in and ignore all the things we currently get as part of our annual contribution as if we will not have to spend money replacing these things after we leave, then all I see is a charlatan obsessed with an ideology who say anything if they think it might get them the result they want, with no regard for reality or truth.

[erolz66]

I have no idea how these quotes are credited to me. Please check, delete and re-post.

Appologies. It looks like sloppy quoting in a previous post led to it appear as if you had said these things. I can not do anything about that original post (the one here cyprus46875-450.html#p882447), you will need to tidy that post up. What I have done is edit my re-quote of your post to change the attribution from your name to just 'somone'. Anyway sorry for misquoting you.

[Kikapu]

AFAIUI, May wasn't "forced" by parliament to ask for an Article 50 time extension. She could have ignored it. She didn't because she didn't want to.

You are mistaken. Parliament passed a bill in to law , going through all the readings, 1st, 2nd house of lords (all in 24 hours) that made it UK law that TM, as PM, had to ask the EU for an extension.

IMHO, it has always been the case that you will get no meaningful concession from the EU until it went to the wire.

You do not think TM took it 'to the wire' and still failed to get 'concessions' ? We are past the 'wire' already as far as I can see. The wire was 29th March 2019. We took it to that wire and then asked for more time when concessions where not forth coming.[
Hi Erol,

I have no idea how these quotes are credited to me. Please check, delete and re-post.

MR,
You must have deleted one of the quotes/names on the top line by mistake and when you submitted your post, it changed all the quotes and names automatically. Once your “edit” time has passed, you yourself cannot change it, but the moderator can.

[Lordo]

just a few myths from the brexiteers.
1. ghe germans will not allow the eu to interfere with their exports. wrong. each country or corporation cannot make such decision the whole of the eu has to. it just goes to show they have no logic. if germans could do such a deal by themselves we would not need to leave to be able make such deal with countries outside the eu.

GERMAN MANUFACTURING ‘FREE FALLS’ TO WORST LEVEL IN 7 YEARS

Yarp, I can't see the German manufacturing giants making a fuss so that the UK can continue to buy their cars, washing machines and dishwashers eh...?

interesting that this has happened when we have not left yet so clearly brexit has no bearing on it. but don't worry after brexit the british good will be fully taxed so you can see the german anufactuing suddenly becoming more attractive.

and you you still can't see that germany as a country cannot make a deal by themselves. is this not what brexiteers are saying that they will be able to?

[Paphitis]

Boris Johnson has finally added some logical thinking and is acting from a position of strength.

Past policy and actions from the traitorous Teresa May and British Parliament have placed Britain in an awkward position of weakness by ruling out no deal BREXIT.

Today, Boris Johnson said that Britain will ‘turbocharge’ towards a no deal BREXIT and invited the EU to the negotiating table.

Even if the EU do not, Britain is now talking the talk and walking the walk and the EU need to be a bit more considerate or face some consequences as well. It’s a double edged sword here if the motivator is capitalism and money.

Bravo Boris. Bravo!

If Boris keeps this up, he is the next Winston and will be PM for 10 years.

The EU said they will look at any new proposal BJ will offer. The EU also said they will not re negotiate the deal they have struck with May. So far the EU has maintained their position 100% since the agreement, so the ball is in BJ‘s court, especially when the British parliament does not support a no deal Brexit. BJ can declare anything all he wants in his first speech as a PM, but as the old famous UK tv commercial in the 70’s use to say, “where is the beef“?

What else would the EU say Kikapu when Britain goes to them like the beggar? This is a business deal, and it must be treated as a business deal. Both parties have something to lose and both have something to gain and the EU are playing hardball because of the stupidity of Theresa May and British Parliament.

Either way, BJ has no choice. He has to issue an intent for no deal or Hard BREXIT. Then invite the EU to the table and wait for their response. A Free Trade is a win win for all parties. When Britain has determined it will go towards hard brexit, then maybe the EU won't be so gun ho. There are so many non EU members right now that have Free Trade with the EU, so why are they saying they are going to punish Britain? I will tell you why? The EU are blackmailing, or trying extortion. This is what I expected from these criminals.

How dare the EU play that game? And to me, it sends a message to other EU countries that have sold out - like Cyprus and Greece for instance.

They are no longer independent countries. They are dependencies. They are now nothing more than a colony like Cyprus was pre 1960. Britain has proven that there is no way out for you poor sods so now, you are at their mercy and they will over the decades dictate and run your society according to their plans.

Whether true or not Kikapu (it will come out in the wash) Britain and BJ have no other choice now but to stick to their guns and proceed towards full scale HARD BREXIT. Begging for a deal will end in tears. I can't believe The British Parliament couldn't work this out. It should be obvious.

UNLESS THEIR TACTIC IS TO SCUPPER BREXIT COMPLETELY....which just goes to show, that Britain is ruled by the elites and not the people who voted and just goes to show that the referendum was just democratic window dressing, which can be ignored when the elites and ruling classes don't like the result or choice of the people.

[Paphitis]

Said the idiot who thinks begging for a deal with the EU is sensible. Or is it a tactic to scupper the will of the people?

Already Boris has destroyed you all in the brains department and sent a stern message

I must admitt Im rather pleased that tou have said what you said, since everything that you said over the years has been disastrously wrong.
By the way, on another subject, do you still have your ...Tesla shares? Watch the market today. !!!

And talking of being disastrously wrong...

I'm still convinced that Boris will not win and Hunt will be the new PM.

Oh geez!

The fool is hilarious. he also said that BREXIT would not win at the Referendum. Look at him now?

Go easy on the old fella.

[Paphitis]

The EU said they will look at any new proposal BJ will offer. The EU also said they will not re negotiate the deal they have struck with May. So far the EU has maintained their position 100% since the agreement, so the ball is in BJ‘s court, especially when the British parliament does not support a no deal Brexit. BJ can declare anything all he wants in his first speech as a PM, but as the old famous UK tv commercial in the 70’s use to say, “where is the beef“?

AFAIUI, May wasn't "forced" by parliament to ask for an Article 50 time extension. She could have ignored it. She didn't because she didn't want to.

IMHO, it has always been the case that you will get no meaningful concession from the EU until it went to the wire. German manufacturing industry is teetering on the edge of recession and expecting a large increase in tariff rates from Trump. The UK is Germany's largest export market for cars (790,000 last year) increased tariffs from the UK at the same time would push both the car and manufacturing industries over the top. You are talking about hundreds of thousands of jobs. Macron has had problems with the gilets jaunes movement. At one point he had 5000 troops on the streets. This would pale into insignificance to what he could expect when the French fishing industry finds itself locked out of UK territorial waters and his farmers lose tariff free access to one of their biggest export markets. Likewise, Italian farmers, already buckling from EU imposed austerity measures, would be up in arms at the loss of UK markets. Ireland would lose an estimated 80,000 jobs and 5% of GDP, virtually overnight.

A no deal is never going to survive beyond the first implementation because Merkel, Macron, Matterella and Varadkar are not going to throw themselves off a cliff in the "principled" cause of Brussel's death cult centralists. It would simply be far too disastrous - for both sides. It ain't gonna happen. Ever.

Just my opinion.

People in the UK who can afford to buy German cars now, will go on buying German cars in the future, Brexit deal or no deal, don't you think?

Not as many will Kikapu if there is no Free Trade deal.

These days, Mercedes, BMW and VW are common place on our streets. Average Middle Class families are buying them because they are able to these days. They are no longer the domain of just the wealthy.

But we have Free Trade with the EU as well. If we didn't, then these cars would still be the domain of the well off or wealthy.

So, the Germans will definitely take a huge hit because the UK is probably their biggest market outside of Germany within the common market and that will hurt them

We will know soon enough. In the mean time, BJ has to play hard ball too just like the EU and tell them they are going to Hard BREXIT unless they hear anything different. Let's see what happens next. Either way, Britain must remain resolute and continue down that ride with pride and conviction no matter what the cost.

BJ is doing exactly what common sense would dictate.