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[Jerry]

Yes I know that but that was 3 years ago. it's hardly relevant.

Hilarious Does that mean that a vote taken 3 years ago is "hardly relevant too"?

[erolz66]

Also, if you go back to 2011 and 2012, the Sterling was again at about 1.11 to the Euro.

https://www.xe.com/currencycharts/?from ... UR&view=2Y

I thought you said you study the markets!

Only a plonker would try and claim that a major currency like GBP that moves 6% or more in the space of weeks is 'remarkably steady'.

The simple fact is that within minutes of the referendum result sterling fell against a basket of currencies by around 15-20%. It has traded in this range ever since. This is before we have even left the EU.

I am willing to stake up to 1000 euro that if the UK exits the EU without a deal, then within 3 months of that happening 1 Sterling will fall at some point within that three months to less than 1 Euro in value, for the first time in history. You have a big mouth Paphitis - are you ready to put your money where that mouth is big boy ? Some how I doubt it.

[Paphitis]

Yes I know that but that was 3 years ago. it's hardly relevant.

Hilarious Does that mean that a vote taken 3 years ago is "hardly relevant too"?

No! A referendum is relevant. And sacred.

Currency fluctuations and referendums are hardly the same thing.

Just because you don't like the result, it is incumbent on you to respect it and respect the democratic will of your peers.

[erolz66]

Just because you don't like the result, it is incumbent on you to respect it and respect the democratic will of your peers.

Just because you do not like the idea that the people of the UK might want to democratically have a say as to how we leave the EU or even decide they do not want to go ahead with it at all, it is incumbent on you to respect the democratic will of the UK population.

The bottom line for me is that there are only two possible ways that implementing the referendum vote via a no deal exit can have 'democratic legitimacy'. One is for a majority of MP's to support such a means of exit, with the democratic legitimacy being the people vote for their MP's and the MP's vote on no deal exit or not. Such a majority of MP's does not currently exist in Parliament. Thus the only other way such a means of implementing the result of the referendum vote via a no deal exit could be considered democratically legitimate would be to have a referendum on that specific question. Thus for me those that argue that the referendum result means we must leave without a deal even though there is not a majority or MP's that support such a way of exiting the EU and explicitly without asking the people directly if this is what they want are not people who believe in democracy, they are those that just want to get what they want regardless of the requirements of democratic legitimacy. They are in short in my book clear hypocrites. It is not rocket science as far as I am concerned.

[cyprusgrump]

JUDGES RULE BORIS WAS RIGHT, £350 MILLION A WEEK ACCEPTABLE AS GROSS FIGURE

It has been debunked hundreds of times over the past three years yet Remainers still trot out the 'lie' on the side of the bus as a reason why Brexit should be re-run...

And now the courts have passed their opinion on it once and for all...

The alleged offence set out in the Application for Summons is that the Claimant “repeatedly made and endorsed false and misleading statements concerning the cost of the United Kingdom’s membership of the European Union”. It appears that if the Claimant had said/endorsed a figure of £350m per week gross, or £250m per week net, there would have been no complaint.

Boris made it clear time and time again that £350M was the gross figure...

Boris and the bus didn't lie, even the ONS agrees that £350M per week* is the debt...

No doubt in three years time, long after we have left the EU the Remainers will still be banging on about it!

Boris for PM!







* Was, it is bigger now obviously.

[miltiades]

One little englander PLONKER supports another!! How is the pound in your pocket mate?
You dont give a toss just as long as we...have our country back !!

[erolz66]

JUDGES RULE BORIS WAS RIGHT, £350 MILLION A WEEK ACCEPTABLE AS GROSS FIGURE

It has been debunked

LOL. That you even try to present the guido fawkes website as a 'credible source' shows how on issues like Brexit, for some, the zealots, reality and truth are simply irrelevant. No judge has ruled that it was not a lie. Saying they have is itself a lie. Compare the claims on your source with say this report from the Daily Mail - hardly a bastion of anti Brexit rhetoric and balanced reporting itself

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... mmons.html .....

High Court judges reveal they threw out 'unlawful' Boris 'misconduct in public office' summons over £350m NHS bus claim because 'false statements' in politics 'are not new'

Not quite the same as a court has ruled 'Boris did not lie' is it ?

The claim was 'we send the EU £350 million a week'. That is a not true. The lie is , that we send / pay the GROSS figure. We do not. We send /pay the NET figure. It is no different to me buying something from a shop on your behalf, that is on 'special' at a price of £70 down from £100 and when I give it to you and you ask me how much was it so you can pay me back, I say £100. That you can 'triumphantly' claim that a court has ruled it was not a lie, just shows how for some who support leave, reality , truth, evidence - these things are just irrelevant. So thanks for helping to highlight my point I tried to make in the other thread to Sotos, that people do not always base their decision and actions by calmly and logically 'weighing the evidence' and coming to a decision.

[cyprusgrump]

100% predictable - the pair of you!

[miltiades]

Go on, tell us the REAL reason you want out.
I will hazard a question! You just dont like bloody foreigners, Krouts, Frogs, you still think that Britain is an empire.
How is the pound in your pocket mate ?
Boris the Clown as our PM ? What an utter plonker, but I must admit he is entertaining, love his clownish looks and his ...clownish wit, but surely not the UKs PM, a circus master YES YES

[erolz66]

:lol:

100% predictable - the pair of you!

You do not think that you choosing to take a 'source' like guido fawkes and taking it's ridiculous assertions as 'truth' without even a hint of need for any 'critical analysis' is '100% predictable ? Yes it is entirely predictable that if you present something that is clearly not true, that can easily be shown to not be true, then in response I (if interested at all) will challenge such. I personally would not have it any other way. I also notice the total lack of any sort of engagement with the points raised (like why does the daily mail say something that is incompatible with that claimed in your guido fawlkes link, to give just one example).