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[Jerry]

British people had many reasons to vote the way they did but I have little doubt that the outcome was determined by a small number of racists who want foreigners out. I hope the leavers posting here feel comfortable with having their wishes determined by racists; I'm not suggesting for one moment that posters here share their views.

There were many reports of foreigners being abused after the referendum. My son's firm employs quite a few European workers, about a week after the referendum the management had to call a mass meeting and threatened instant dismissal to anyone discriminating or abusing a fellow employee; for example the day after the vote one Polish engineer was found a note on her desk offering a lift to the airport, others were asked if they had started packing their suitcases.

Farage's creations, UKIP and Brexit Party, rely on the racist vote for much of their support, if Leavers here are happy to ride on their coat-tails to justify their position then so be it.

Racist no longer has any meaning...



It used to be a heinous insult but you Remainers have thrown it around so often it is now meaningless... Essentially, anybody that thinks Brexit is a good idea is now a racist, all 17 million of us!

Water off a duck's back...

Another pathetic try, I specifically said, "I'm not suggesting for one moment that posters here share their views." and no insult intended but if you choose to interpret it so then feel free to be meaninglessly insulted.

[Kikapu]

I myself is a remainder, even though I haven't lived in the UK since 1979, but in order to bring the country together, the vote taken three years ago to leave democratically needs to be respected. End of.

In any election/referendum people vote their conscious, unless they are bribed to do as the case is in some countries.

Many voted one way or the other with very little facts as to what Brexit would look like. Many were in fact very ignorant of the facts and ill informed, but that is no different than ALL other elections and referendums. There are going to be winners and losers, but Democracy is like sand dunes in the desert, that it always shifts it's position and shape depending which direction the wind is blowing and how hard.

[erolz66]

Sorry but democracy doesn’t work that way.

Can’t just keep cancelling the democratic process because you don’t like the outcome.

This makes a mockery of all institutions and Britain would have capitulated to foreign interests.

If the people voted for something that proves to be impossible to implement (a painless cake and eat it exit from the eu), then the only sensible option in light of that is for them to vote again on those options that are possible (a painful exit or no exit).

[Kikapu]

Sorry but democracy doesn’t work that way.

Can’t just keep cancelling the democratic process because you don’t like the outcome.

This makes a mockery of all institutions and Britain would have capitulated to foreign interests.

If the people voted for something that proves to be impossible to implement (a painless cake and eat it exit from the eu), then the only sensible option in light of that is for them to vote again on those options that are possible (a painful exit or no exit).

I don't think so Erol, not unless what was voted for was illegal to begin with. For example, if the majority voted to bring back slavery and it passed, it would not make it legal as it would go against the Constitution/Bill of Rights/Rule of Law and and and!

No one will die as a direct enactment of the Brexit vote once it goes through. If later it turns out to be a bad choice, then the people can Democratically vote again to come back into the EU.

[erolz66]

I don't think so Erol, not unless what was voted for was illegal to begin with. For example, if the majority voted to bring back slavery and it passed, it would not make it legal as it would go against the Constitution/Bill of Rights/Rule of Law and and and!

A group of us all decide we are going to go on a day trip in Cyprus. We agree we will vote on where to go. Options are put forward and discussed. Visiting St Hilarion is one option. Some argue against this option saying the road to St Hilarion is closed but other argue, this is not the case, the road is open, access is simple and easy. We vote. A slim majority chose St Hilarion. We head off. The road is closed. So do we now

1. Insist that democracy demands we still go ahead, parking our cars miles from St Hilarion and take a 6 mile walking track to St Hilarion.
2. Vote again between going somewhere else or taking the 6 mile hike to St Hilarion,

To me the only sensible option is 2. It is also the option that is most compatible with the ideals of democracy.

No one will die as a direct enactment of the Brexit vote once it goes through.

Actually that is not clear. The issue surrounding uninterrupted continued supply of medicines in the event of a no deal exit is uncertain enough that for me the claim 'no one will die if we no deal exit' is not as absolute as you claim. There are others.

[cyprusgrump]

Sorry but democracy doesn’t work that way.

Can’t just keep cancelling the democratic process because you don’t like the outcome.

This makes a mockery of all institutions and Britain would have capitulated to foreign interests.

If the people voted for something that proves to be impossible to implement (a painless cake and eat it exit from the eu), then the only sensible option in light of that is for them to vote again on those options that are possible (a painful exit or no exit).

Brexit has only proved difficult because the Remain-dominated parliament has decided to ignore the democratic Leave vote and overturn the result of the referendum.

Even though MPs voted overwhelmingly for Article 50 and stood on manifestos which promised to respect the result of the referendum in the 2017 GE, they have done everything in their power to remain in the EU.

If they'd respected the will of the people we'd be out by now.

[erolz66]

Brexit has only proved difficult because the Remain-dominated parliament has decided to ignore the democratic Leave vote and overturn the result of the referendum.

That is simply not true. Those MP's that have to do date frustrated the attempts of government to implement leaving the EU come as much from the 'extreme leave' end of the spectrum as they have from the remain spectrum. The simple truth is Bexit has proved impossible to implement because the claims made leading up to the vote by the leave side have proven to just not be true. If they had been true than we would today not be a member of the EU. It is that simple to me.

[cyprusgrump]

Brexit has only proved difficult because the Remain-dominated parliament has decided to ignore the democratic Leave vote and overturn the result of the referendum.

That is simply not true. Those MP's that have to do date frustrated the attempts of government to implement leaving the EU come as much from the 'extreme leave' end of the spectrum as they have from the remain spectrum. The simple truth is Bexit has proved impossible to implement because the claims made leading up to the vote by the leave side have proven to just not be true. If they had been true than we would today not be a member of the EU. It is that simple to me.

It is a Remain dominated parliament with led by a Remainer PM and a Remainer Speaker, aided and abetted by court cases brought by Remainers.

And now Remainers are threatening to overturn the government rather than allow Brexit at the end of October.

And as I pointed out earlier on this thread, both sides agreed on what a Leave vote would entail.

[erolz66]

It is a Remain dominated parliament with led by a Remainer PM and a Remainer Speaker, aided and abetted by court cases brought by Remainers.

Yet it voted to trigger article 50 none the less. If the claims that had been made by the leave side about what would then happen then had been true, then we would today be out of the EU. It is because vast swathes of those claims have turned out to not be true that we are in this deadlock.

And now Remainers are threatening to overturn the government rather than allow Brexit at the end of October.

There are a handful of MP's that are of the government party that have said they would vote against the government in a vote of no confidence motion should such a government try and force through a no deal exit without a clear mandate from the people for such a type of exit. Then there are those extreme leave MP's that have said they would consider shutting down parliament entirely in order to thwart the democratic will of parliament and force through a no deal. I know which I see as the more 'extreme' and 'anti democratic' course of action.

And as I pointed out earlier on this thread, both sides agreed on what a Leave vote would entail.

To me this is disingenuous nonsense. The leave campaign prior to the referendum did not campaign on leaving the EU without a deal. They campaigned on the basis that we could and would leave with a deal that better suited us and we were happy with. This has proven to not be the case and those who do not consider the deal on offer to be one that better suits us are as much from the leave camp as they are from remain.

[cyprusgrump]

To me this is disingenuous nonsense. The leave campaign prior to the referendum did not campaign on leaving the EU without a deal. They campaigned on the basis that we could and would leave with a deal that better suited us and we were happy with. This has proven to not be the case and those who do not consider the deal on offer to be one that better suits us are as much from the leave camp as they are from remain.

Ah, but those in charge of implementing the Leave vote were Remainers. May went behind the back of those negotiating to leave and put Olly Robbins in charge because she was a Remainer.

Had we had somebody in the negotiating team that was committed to leaving I'm sure that a trade deal would have been on the table - after all, it makes sense for both sides.

Instead we took are biggest bargaining card (WTO Brexit) off the table and agreed to the Brexit In Name Only Withdrawal Agreement.

It isn't complicated, everybody agreed that Leave would mean leaving the institutions of the EU including the single market and everything else.

It shouldn't be difficult should it? After all, there are countries outside the EU that have trade deals with the EU (and remember the UK is 100% compliant on day #1) and there are countries outside of the EU that partake in EU projects (like EurAtom).

It really isn't (and shouldn't be) 'impossible' to leave the EU...

Anyway, whatever anybodies views on Leave or Remain were they are somewhat irrelevant now. The genie is out of the bottle and there is simply no way to put it back and return to things as they were before the referendum. Either Brexit happens or there will be a melt down in British politics...