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[cyprusgrump]

Can any of you " leavers" tell me why is our pound against the euro losing so much ground ? Could it perhaps be due to Brexit ? Is our economy destined to thrive or collapse ?
Well, at least we will have our ... country back !! What a load of shit. The EU will continue to thrive so will the mighty euro, will the pound ever recover? Will inflation rise, will food prices go up, what about wages, will they rise in line with inflation ? To the Fuckrage and Clown followers it doesn't matter just as long as they have their country back !! What a load of absolute ...Plonkers.

I'm confused as to why you should type out a whole new load of shite each time...

Why don't you just copy/paste the same post you have been going on about for the past three years and save yourself the time...?

[miltiades]

[Jerry]

lets see how many intelligent fools there are here.

please somebody explain how boris or hunt will ever be able brexit if the current set up in parliament does not change.

explain how either will get all their mps vote for it when likes of ken clark and dominic greave has declared that they willing to bring the government down if either attemt a no deal brexit. they will only have about 4 majority with the dup. even allowing for the few labour mps that may vote for it, about 12 tory mps will be enough to bring this government down.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-48742881

do the maths and somebody explain how?

come on mr you are an intelligent man, explain.

I don't want to get embroiled in my zillionth "debate" on this subject. CG's right in the respect that it's just the same ole, same ole going around and around. It tends to boil down to Remainers wanting somebody to angrily rant at. After 3 years I've pretty much had enough and - although my use of Anglo Saxon adjectives is very rare - they can fuck off and rant at somebody else. (You can tell that I'm a lower working class idiot).

Nevertheless, I think that parliament's invoking Article 50 - and the acceptance of it's clear implications - was primary legislation. Incidentally, the vote to do that was 334/85 in favour. AFAIU, it takes similar legislation to revoke. The bottom line is that the (latest) default position is if nothing changes the UK will leave the EU on 31st October automatically, as a matter of UK law.

FWIW. Personally I don't believe that Boris will honour his promises. I have no trust at all in either of the UK's main political parties. They are both serial liars and I suspect they will reap the whirlwind for it.

There's always the prorogation of parliament option as well.

I just wonder. If the UK ended up staying in the EU does anybody really think that over 17 million very angry people are going to shrug their shoulders and say "Fair enough. At least we gave it a try". The truth of course is that the genie is out of the bottle and this is an issue that is never going to go away.

Without ratification of the referendum by the people one side or the other will always claim they were cheated, one side will always be angry. After three years of lies and Parliamentary balls ups we should be allowed to settle this matter once and for all. Leavers keep on about "democracy" and the people have already decided - same old arguments, same old trite phrases; they can't accept that voters may have changed their minds and they are too scared to put it to the test.

Why stay in the EU? Simple answer - It's the economy ,stupid
BTW, EU has just signed a trade deal with South American bloc

Excellent!

So every time there is a General Election and my side lose we can have a 'Ratification Vote' and keep voting until my side win...?

Because without ratification of the General Election by the people one side or the other will always claim they were cheated, one side will always be angry.

See how it works now...?

Nice try but political parties have long standing policies that voters are familiar with, and election winners form a government within a day of the result - not three years later. In fact it wasn't a nice try, it was bloody pathetic.

Furthermore bad governments resulting from the "wrong" side winning can be kicked out within five years, that scenario does not apply to Brexit.

[Jerry]

Without ratification of the referendum by the people one side or the other will always claim they were cheated, one side will always be angry. After three years of lies and Parliamentary balls ups we should be allowed to settle this matter once and for all. Leavers keep on about "democracy" and the people have already decided - same old arguments, same old trite phrases; they can't accept that voters may have changed their minds and they are too scared to put it to the test.

Why stay in the EU? Simple answer - It's the economy ,stupid
BTW, EU has just signed a trade deal with South American bloc

Look Mate, you sound like a nice person - not at all one of us low-lifes - albeit you're obviously a bit agitated.

This issue was decided on 23rd June 2016. There is no "ratification," anymore than in any other important national vote.

I've spent enough time "debating" with people like you over the past 3 years to appreciate what a total waste of time it is. It amounts basically to a form of Troll feeding. I've no idea what your situation is but can say that I have had the same angrygrams from people that I absolutely know couldn't even be assed to vote in the referendum. Although, I'm sure you did.

Neither of us can make a blind bit of difference to the outcome of all this. We just have to sit out events. So, why don't we get some popcorn and do just that?

"I've spent enough time "debating" with people like you over the past 3 years to appreciate what a total waste of time it is"
So why are you here, why are you wasting your time on this thread?

[Londonrake]

Without ratification of the referendum by the people one side or the other will always claim they were cheated, one side will always be angry. After three years of lies and Parliamentary balls ups we should be allowed to settle this matter once and for all. Leavers keep on about "democracy" and the people have already decided - same old arguments, same old trite phrases; they can't accept that voters may have changed their minds and they are too scared to put it to the test.

Why stay in the EU? Simple answer - It's the economy ,stupid
BTW, EU has just signed a trade deal with South American bloc

Look Mate, you sound like a nice person - not at all one of us low-lifes - albeit you're obviously a bit agitated.

This issue was decided on 23rd June 2016. There is no "ratification," anymore than in any other important national vote.

I've spent enough time "debating" with people like you over the past 3 years to appreciate what a total waste of time it is. It amounts basically to a form of Troll feeding. I've no idea what your situation is but can say that I have had the same angrygrams from people that I absolutely know couldn't even be assed to vote in the referendum. Although, I'm sure you did.

Neither of us can make a blind bit of difference to the outcome of all this. We just have to sit out events. So, why don't we get some popcorn and do just that?

"I've spent enough time "debating" with people like you over the past 3 years to appreciate what a total waste of time it is"
So why are you here, why are you wasting your time on this thread?

Mmmm. Actually, I'm not really debating with you. I'm here mainly because I enjoy Milti's turn of phrase. And...................It's his round.

Please, don't let that stop you from ranting though. You may even manage to think of some new ones - but after 3 years I doubt it.

[Kikapu]

There is a very simple way to settle Brexit within Democratic boundaries that should satisfy both the leavers and the remainders , however, it will come at a cost.

If a deal can or cannot be worked out with the EU, then a no deal Brexit should be accepted by everyone. Once the dust settles and if the UK post Brexit turns to shit or not, regardless , then hold another referendum to re-enter the EU and see what happens. This should satisfy both the leavers and the remainders, democratically. Democracy is not just a one of vote on any issue. Once the leave referendum vote has been fulfilled another democratic vote can be taken to re enter the EU, and if successful, this is where the cost will come to the UK, just what the UK would need to give up to the other 27 (current number) EU members to be accepted to re enter the EU. To put it delicately, the UK will need all the Vaseline they have to make the re entry into the EU as painless as possible. It will be a bend over time to the EU members as the UK’s rear end will become very sore despite all that Vaseline!

[Jerry]

There is a very simple way to settle Brexit within Democratic boundaries that should satisfy both the leavers and the remainders , however, it will come at a cost.

If a deal can or cannot be worked out with the EU, then a no deal Brexit should be accepted by everyone. Once the dust settles and if the UK post Brexit turns to shit or not, regardless , then hold another referendum to re-enter the EU and see what happens. This should satisfy both the leavers and the remainders, democratically. Democracy is not just a one of vote on any issue. Once the leave referendum vote has been fulfilled another democratic vote can be taken to re enter the EU, and if successful, this is where the cost will come to the UK, just what the UK would need to give up to the other 27 (current number) EU members to be accepted to re enter the EU. To put it delicately, the UK will need all the Vaseline they have to make the re entry into the EU as painless as possible. It will be a bend over time to the EU members as the UK’s rear end will become very sore despite all that Vaseline!

I'm not sure it will be as simple as that, I seem to recall that in the event of re-entry into the EU Britain would lose the concessions it had gained; for example it would have to adopt the Euro as its currency.

It's my belief that whatever happens to the UK the EU will have learned a lesson from this fiasco and probably abandon further moves at integrating the member counties for the foreseeable future

[Kikapu]

That is why I stated that it will come at a cost to the UK, but it may be the only way to satisfy both the leavers and the remainders democratically if it turns out after Brexit, that being in the EU was far better for the UK than out of it, people will have their democratic right to vote on another referendum. It is not just the concessions they have gained from the EU that they will lose as well as adopting the Euro, but also losing Northern Ireland , Gibraltar and the bases in Cyprus.

[Maximus]

I am not really following British politics as much as I used to.

But

if Britain wants to leave the eu, why doesn’t she just leave?

Why is she still there?

[Kikapu]

I am not really following British politics as much as I used to.

But

if Britain wants to leave the eu, why doesn’t she just leave?

Why is she still there?

They are afraid what might happen to the UK economically if it left without a deal that would favour the UK.