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[Maximus]

Cypriot but separate.

Turkey determines the TC's future, while they try and dictate what the GC can and cant do......though.

What is the difference, you might as well move the TRNC to Turkey and everyone will find their peace.

Then we can build a gas pipeline to Turkey together.

[Maximus]

Turkey is creating refugees in Syria which causes them to flee to Turkey.

Then they fly to the North where Turkish Cypriot "Authorities" guide them to the Republic of Cyprus.

Under their supervision, they are instructed to apply for political asylum in the Republic of Cyprus.

Cyprus now has the most refugees per capita, then any country in Europe.



https://cyprus-mail.com/2019/06/20/syri ... thorities/

Turkey and the TRNC have no legitimacy. Sending their muslim brothers and sisters to Christian country's to take care of them.

Turkey is no bridge, between Europe and the middle east. It is a dark tunnel that takes its 'toll'.

[Kikapu]

Lordo, the plain fact is, the hydrocarbons do not belong to the GCs, or the TCs, or the “trnc”, and especially not to Turkey. Whatever hydrocarbons there are in the RoC’s EEZ, it ALL belongs to the RoC. If the TCs want to be part of the RoC, then everyone will benefit, but as long as the TCs do not want to be part of the RoC but see the illegal “trnc” as their country, then the TCs are shit out of luck and there isn’t anything Turkey or the TCs can do to stop the RoC from drilling in it’s own EEZ which goes all round the island. If the TCs want to use Turkey as a “junkyard dog” to bully the RoC, the RoC will use even bigger “junkyard dog”, the EU to bully Turkey.

Why should the RoC not do what it wants to do legally before there is a settlement? Where do you get such idiotic idea from that they shouldn’t? Whatever past leaders talked about with the U.N. is all it is, past discussions, as nothing is agreed on until everything is agreed on. When has the TCs and Turkey ever stopped doing what they wanted to do in the north, illegally I may add, before there has been a settlement? As my deceased father used to say in his own crude Cypriot way, “Kafa Sikme” as it makes you look very stupid with your pointless arguments.

[repulsewarrior]

...indeed, how about a "TRNC" that is recognised. Who will pay the price? "Turks"?

And what would be the "price" beside the complete submission of (the world, and) "Greeks"?

...how about 4%, of Cyprus as a land mass, "you" "own"? If that were the case, how about between "you" and "us" a border closed; and you can keep your military installations? Certainly that would secure your "purity", and your Freedom to be subjugated to "Turkishness", in peace. Maybe 6% or 7.5% is affordable. But, would this be an agreeable solution to the rest of us, who know only of Turkey's malice?

Sadly, i don't think so, because Turkey, Erdogan's Turkey has no credibility, except among his electors. Until he can recognise that as in Turkey, Cyprus is a State, this conflict will not be abated. While he may like to imply that all Greeks are "Greeks", not all Turks are "Turks". If Cyprus is to be divided for "Turkishness", Turkey would be next.

[Lordo]

Lordo, the plain fact is, the hydrocarbons do not belong to the GCs, or the TCs, or the “trnc”, and especially not to Turkey. Whatever hydrocarbons there are in the RoC’s EEZ, it ALL belongs to the RoC. If the TCs want to be part of the RoC, then everyone will benefit, but as long as the TCs do not want to be part of the RoC but see the illegal “trnc” as their country, then the TCs are shit out of luck and there isn’t anything Turkey or the TCs can do to stop the RoC from drilling in it’s own EEZ which goes all round the island. If the TCs want to use Turkey as a “junkyard dog” to bully the RoC, the RoC will use even bigger “junkyard dog”, the EU to bully Turkey.

Why should the RoC not do what it wants to do legally before there is a settlement? Where do you get such idiotic idea from that they shouldn’t? Whatever past leaders talked about with the U.N. is all it is, past discussions, as nothing is agreed on until everything is agreed on. When has the TCs and Turkey ever stopped doing what they wanted to do in the north, illegally I may add, before there has been a settlement? As my deceased father used to say in his own crude Cypriot way, “Kafa Sikme” as it makes you look very stupid with your pointless arguments.

even a man of your intelect should understand why they cannot be allowed to get the resources without peace. becasue they are involved in the negotiations and it suits them to make the talks last as long ast the reources last and once they end perhaps they may make a deal. its called conflicting interests and its not even legal never mind moral. it is not legal because christofias signed up to the reources being the responsibility of the federal cyprus so he has signed them away to the future. and if gcs decide to ignore what has been agreed, it show bad faith and will not be allowed to get away with it even if it is technically legal. it shows bad faith. lets face t they are welcome to attempt to extract and see what happens. i think the term that applies is suck and see. right they perfectly entitled to suck and see. and good luck to them.

[Maximus]

How about the natural resources in the north of Cyprus Bordo?

when is your administration going to stop fishing, mining, quarrying, extracting, picking and harvesting?

Technically, doing anything there is illegal.

Even a man of your intellect should understand that you are not allowed to get these resources until after there is peace.

in the meantime, your 'administration' should be collecting rent for the GC's from the settlers that are living in their property.

[Maximus]

Creme de la creme reporting from the CY mail.

This is how easy it is to mislead readers with a tile that says something like this;

EU ‘will continue to monitor developments’ in Cyprus’ EEZ
https://cyprus-mail.com/2019/06/20/eu-w ... yprus-eez/

The reader already assumes that the EU is going to do nothing about turkeys illegal drilling and just monitor the developments. This can be seen / read in the comments section from your average CY mail reader. I am convinced that most people dont really read the articles. Forget about processing and analyzing the information correctly. The CY mail disseminates information by putting their own spin and filler on things as well.

However, in and among everything there is this;

“The European Council welcomes the invitation to the Commission and the European External Action Service to submit options for appropriate measures without delay.”.

"The proposals are expected to be tabled during Friday’s European Council summit, where developments in the eastern Mediterranean and Turkey’s actions are on the agenda."

From my point of view, this actually means that the EU is compiling a list of options, without delay, to respond to Turkeys illegal drilling activities in Cyprus EEZ. Not just monitor developments.

The CY mails spin on it is that "Thursday’s draft conclusions were a washout" - insinuating, that the EU is going to do nothing.

There is always a chance, that they might be right.

[Maximus]

One EU member in particular,

Supports the use and inclusion of "strong language" in the conclusions of the European council summit.

Oud widcha, ya Foo$£!n B&^%%$£.

Guess which one that is?

[Kikapu]

Lordo, the plain fact is, the hydrocarbons do not belong to the GCs, or the TCs, or the “trnc”, and especially not to Turkey. Whatever hydrocarbons there are in the RoC’s EEZ, it ALL belongs to the RoC. If the TCs want to be part of the RoC, then everyone will benefit, but as long as the TCs do not want to be part of the RoC but see the illegal “trnc” as their country, then the TCs are shit out of luck and there isn’t anything Turkey or the TCs can do to stop the RoC from drilling in it’s own EEZ which goes all round the island. If the TCs want to use Turkey as a “junkyard dog” to bully the RoC, the RoC will use even bigger “junkyard dog”, the EU to bully Turkey.

Why should the RoC not do what it wants to do legally before there is a settlement? Where do you get such idiotic idea from that they shouldn’t? Whatever past leaders talked about with the U.N. is all it is, past discussions, as nothing is agreed on until everything is agreed on. When has the TCs and Turkey ever stopped doing what they wanted to do in the north, illegally I may add, before there has been a settlement? As my deceased father used to say in his own crude Cypriot way, “Kafa Sikme” as it makes you look very stupid with your pointless arguments.

even a man of your intelect should understand why they cannot be allowed to get the resources without peace. becasue they are involved in the negotiations and it suits them to make the talks last as long ast the reources last and once they end perhaps they may make a deal. its called conflicting interests and its not even legal never mind moral. it is not legal because christofias signed up to the reources being the responsibility of the federal cyprus so he has signed them away to the future. and if gcs decide to ignore what has been agreed, it show bad faith and will not be allowed to get away with it even if it is technically legal. it shows bad faith. lets face t they are welcome to attempt to extract and see what happens. i think the term that applies is suck and see. right they perfectly entitled to suck and see. and good luck to them.

Well now, Lordo, isn’t Morphou and Karpaz and few other places are also part of the negotiations, but this hasn’t stopped those places being used commercially by the north, has it? Well, the RoC is also doing the same with the hydrocarbons until there is a settlement, which then will be handed over to the Federal government. In any case, there can be an agreement for a settlement in 5 minutes if the north were to agree to a BBF settlement based on EU values since we are a member of the EU and not seek a settlement based on apartheid and disguised partition. The ball is in the north’s court if they want to benefit from the hydrocarbons. By the way, the recent contract made on payment to the RoC with the oil company for 18 years for about $10 Billion does not mean that the gas and oil well will be dry in 18 years time. No no no, these wells are going to be giving Cyprus a lot of gas and oil for many many many years to come way after the first 18 years contract, so don’t worry about it running out during a delayed settlement just to prevent the TCs of any hydrocarbons income. The sooner the TCs agree to a settlement, the sooner they too will benefit. Also, when the time comes to bring the hydrocarbons to the surface, it will be done and there isn’t anything the TCs and Turkey can do about it regardless if there is a settlement or not.

[Lordo]

which bit of

"christofias signed up to the reources being the responsibility of the federal cyprus so he has signed them away to the future"

do you have difficuly understanding. eez belongs to federal cyprus and until it comes to existance gc have no legal or moral right to extract and if they do and get wacked nobody will come to their aid.

so as dirty harry would say " do you feel lucky punk?"

enjoy