supporttheunderdog wrote:The earliest known literature can be traced to Sumer in 2600 bc and the epic of Gilgamesh was written say 2250 to 2000 bc, while by 1400 bc the Cypriot Rulers were in correspondence with the Ugarit kings in the Armana letters, so there was nothing new about writing or story telling in say 1000 bc. Crete had Hieroglyphic script by 2000bc then Linear A was in use for about 500 years until the collapse of the Minoan civilisation in about 1450. Linear B, based on Linear A, then emerged.
The Mycenaeans only used Linear B starting from about 1400 BCE. So it was new to them, in relative terms.
You have however made an absurd claim that Cyprus was settled by Greeks in 2000 bc. Simply not true.
I didn't.
As for Ethnos, plainly you confuse the modern label for a geographical location with a description of an Ethnos but I would say it is self apparent that though label Ethnos is Greek, the label can be applied to preGreek groups in the area now labeled as Anatolia. It also follows that those who settled Cyprus would have shared an Ethnos with those of their origin location, and while the geographical separation would lead to divergence, that would likley be a slow process before they were significantly different that but for an intervening event language would become incompressible and beliefs very different. In any event there was a non Greek Ethnos in Cyprus before Hellenisationwhich only began after say 1100bc.
You are the one confusing modern label for a geographical location with a description of an Ethnos - because Cyprus and Greece are two separate countries you think that there are two separate nations. Not the case.
The people who came to Cyprus from Anatolia and the Levant came to Cyprus long before there was anything like an ethnos in Anatolia. The Hittites for example did not form something that could be called an ethnos until about 1600BC. The people who came to Cyprus from Anatolia came 1000s of years earlier and had nothing to do with the Hittites, their language and their culture. Beyond that, if you call any group of people that had their own language an "ethnos" then I can also tell you "there was a non X Ethnos in Y before Xisation" for just about ANY location in the world. "There was a non English Ethnos in what is now England before Anglification", "There was a non Turkish Ethnos in what is now Turkey before Turkification", "There was a non Greek Ethnos in what is now Greece before Hellenisation". So Cyprus is no different than any other place.
What is different is when "Hellenization", "Anglification", "Turkification" happened. And in the case of Cyprus this happened way earlier than most other places of the world. How many places do you know where they speak the same language today as they spoke 3000+ years ago?
I repeat, the Genetics do not support a Greek mass migration theory, as is so often claimed to have occurred.
Genetics are irrelevant. Ethnos is not about genetics. Do you think that in your own nation you have 50 million of pure breed "English" that spread through incest from the original English Adam and Eve?
Or maybe you make people a DNA test to determine if they can be part of your nation or not? Beyond that, why do you think people in Cyprus speak Greek for 3000 years? They learned Greek over the internet in 1000BC? Or a little ship came with 10 Greeks inside and then all of a sudden everybody on the island decided to start using the language of those few visitors? Or maybe those 10 Greeks forced everybody else to speak Greek... were they 10 Hercules? A large number of Greeks did come to Cyprus because there is no other logical explanations on why Greek was used in Cyprus. The same is true for the TCs. Why do the TCs speak Turkish? Ottomans have occupied the Balkans for far longer than Cyprus and lots of those populations became Muslim. But why don't Albanians and Bosnians speak Turkish? The reason is that lots of mainland Turks did came to Cyprus during Ottoman rule. This is recorded by the Ottomans themselves, and it is also logical. If there were no large number of Turks coming to Cyprus then no part of the population would speak Turkish.
DNA analysis is a new field and there is still a lot to be learned. If DNA analysis is telling you that 1+1=3, then probably you did something wrong in your analysis either unintentionally or intentionally (trying to use genetics to push a specific political agenda)
