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[Londonrake]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-48393512

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[Robin Hood]

Aaaaabout FACE!

Looks like the MSM and the ‘independents’ are singing from the same hymn sheet …. at last? Mind you Caitlin Johnstone has been pointing this out for some years ….. and has been ridiculed by Rachel Maddow for her views.

Professional Assange Smearers Finally Realize His Fate Is Tied To Theirs – Caitlin Johnstone

Rachel Maddow has aired a segment condemning the new indictment against Julian Assange for 17 alleged violations of the Espionage Act.

Yes, that Rachel Maddow.

MSNBC’s top host began the segment after it was introduced by Chris Hayes, agreeing with her colleague that it’s surprising that more news outlets aren’t giving this story more “wall to wall” coverage, given its immense significance. She recapped Assange’s various legal struggles up until this point, then accurately described Assange’s new Espionage Act charges for publishing secret documents.

“And these new charges are not about stealing classified information or outsmarting computer systems in order to illegally obtain classified information,” Maddow said. “It’s not about that. These new charges are trying to prosecute Assange for publishing that stolen, secret material which was obtained by somebody else. And that is a whole different kettle of fish then what he was initially charged with.”
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https://caitlinjohnstone.com/2019/05/24 ... to-theirs/[/url]

[Londonrake]

I think you're missing the point(s) of my posting which, on the face of it, I appreciate seems contradictory. Think about it. Particularly in the light of your previous claims.

Nevertheless, I do believe that the principal reason Assange bolted to the Ecuadorian embassy (for 7 years!) was to escape the possibility of a - much smaller as it happens, even if found guilty - jail term in Sweden. That country has a history of not extraditing people for alleged political crimes. It was also one which he was actively seeking residency in. Not a great leap of the imagination to connect the two perhaps?

I believe that the man has shot himself in the foot. Well both actually. He now faces the possibility of extradition to the US. Depending upon whomever the next UK Home Secretary is (after his jail time there's up). If anyone If it's that pinnacle of intellectual brilliance Abbott - then of course he doesn't have a problem.

[Robin Hood]

I think you're missing the point(s) of my posting which, on the face of it, I appreciate seems contradictory. Think about it. Particularly in the light of your previous claims.

Nevertheless, I do believe that the principal reason Assange bolted to the Ecuadorian embassy (for 7 years!) was to escape the possibility of a - much smaller as it happens, even if found guilty - jail term in Sweden. That country has a history of not extraditing people for alleged political crimes. It was also one which he was actively seeking residency in. Not a great leap of the imagination to connect the two perhaps?

I believe that the man has shot himself in the foot. Well both actually. He now faces the possibility of extradition to the US. Depending upon whomever the next UK Home Secretary is (after his jail time there's up). If anyone If it's that pinnacle of intellectual brilliance Abbott - then of course he doesn't have a problem.

You didn't make a point ..... you posted a link!

As I have understood the situation over the years Assange's fear, and for good reason, was that the US would extradite him by any means possible. He published what Manning sent him and that exposed US war crimes .... the US could not allow that to go unpunished. As I also understand it, Wikileaks have never published false documents and was meticulous in removing anything that could expose individuals to danger.

[Londonrake]

I think you're missing the point(s) of my posting which, on the face of it, I appreciate seems contradictory. Think about it. Particularly in the light of your previous claims.

Nevertheless, I do believe that the principal reason Assange bolted to the Ecuadorian embassy (for 7 years!) was to escape the possibility of a - much smaller as it happens, even if found guilty - jail term in Sweden. That country has a history of not extraditing people for alleged political crimes. It was also one which he was actively seeking residency in. Not a great leap of the imagination to connect the two perhaps?

I believe that the man has shot himself in the foot. Well both actually. He now faces the possibility of extradition to the US. Depending upon whomever the next UK Home Secretary is (after his jail time there's up). If anyone If it's that pinnacle of intellectual brilliance Abbott - then of course he doesn't have a problem.

You didn't make a point ..... you posted a link!

As I have understood the situation over the years Assange's fear, and for good reason, was that the US would extradite him by any means possible. He published what Manning sent him and that exposed US war crimes .... the US could not allow that to go unpunished. As I also understand it, Wikileaks have never published false documents and was meticulous in removing anything that could expose individuals to danger.

Sorry but that's obfuscating. His alleged Swedish crimes and the subsequent EAW are what led to his absconding. I'm of the opinion we must all face the music in that respect. I really don't GAF how "famous" somebody is. We should all be equal under the law. Regarding his extradition, he's the architect of his own current, dire situation. My conclusion - borne out by others who've been intimately familiar with him's testimony - is that the man's a narcissistic and egotistical idiot. I apologise for my link having too cryptic a meaning for you. I thought the points I was making in posting it would be clear. Perhaps not. That'll teach me to use links - ehh?

I've been consistent in always having the opinion that good lunches and bad forum exchanges are incompatible. Historically that's tended to be born out by events - if you recall? So, I shan't post on Assange here again.

Back to the interminable, really, really absorbing, subject of Brexit then.

[Robin Hood]

LR:

Sorry but that's obfuscating.

I don’t think so! If you read both MSM and independent journalism you see two sides of the same story.

You are following the MSM line and I believe that is obfuscation because it is concentrating on a ‘technical rape’ and does not cover the bigger picture ........ obviously, you will not agree but in my book any woman that ends up in bed with someone she barely knows is just asking for trouble. Hervey Winestein did the same! He used his ‘fame’ and preyed on women who were prepared to submit to anything for the chance of also becoming famous (and rich?) ..... then they belly ached afterwards, years afterwards, when their shabby history became public knowledge.

But ‘we’ are not all equal under the Law are we? The independents have always recognised the Swedish accusations but have seen beyond that and have said for years that the intent all along has been to get Assange deported to the US where they will effectively kill him. If he has done so much wrong and we are all treated equally for our crimes, what happened to those US personnel who were exposed carrying out war crimes? Why is Blair still free? Nothing ..... all swept under the carpet ...... not a peep! Where is this equality?

I doubt you will have read this, wrong media source .............. I have already said I don’t like Assange but I support what he did:

‘Everyone else must take my place’: Assange in letter from British prison - RT

https://on.rt.com/9v3r

[Paphitis]

No one likes Assange.

Australia doesn't want him. Quite happy for him to be sent to Virginia to face a Grand Jury!

If we really have to, we can send over Alexander Downer with a packet of cigarettes to just tick off the helping Australian Citizens in trouble OS box and to send Australian Intelligence a full report about his treason and collusion Russian Intelligence which hacked US Democrat Shillery Clinton!

Assange betrayed Australia a long time ago. His actions amount to treachery of the highest order.

[Robin Hood]

No one likes Assange.

Australia doesn't want him. Quite happy for him to be sent to Virginia to face a Grand Jury!

If we really have to, we can send over Alexander Downer with a packet of cigarettes to just tick off the helping Australian Citizens in trouble OS box and to send Australian Intelligence a full report about his treason and collusion Russian Intelligence which hacked US Democrat Shillery Clinton!

Assange betrayed Australia a long time ago. His actions amount to treachery of the highest order.

Whether you or I like him or not is immaterial. All he did was what any journalist worthy of the title would do. If he were being deported to Russia for doing the same thing, I am sure you would be singing a very different tune.

[Paphitis]

He is no journalist. And no one cares what you think.

Sorry, but he colluded with the Russians and Chelsea and released highly classified material to the public. His arse is finished now.

He has no right to release any information belonging to the US. By doing so, he has committed serious offences against the State Secrets Act.

What was he thinking? that the Ecuadorians were going to save him? They needed an IMF bailout and they are thankful now.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-ecua ... SKCN1QA05Z

A lot of people have been given access to sensitive material either legitimately or illegitimately and to divulge this material in either circumstance is clearly illegal.

Between Sweden, UK, USA and Australia, the guy is never going to see freedom ever again.

[Kikapu]

Assange hasn't been free for the last 7 years already.