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[Paphitis]

Speaking of this perpetual tug of war.

Meet Lui, who works for Speedtape Airlines in the USA.

he is the screw scheduler extraordinaire!

He is on the side of profits ahead of safety. Anything to get the job done, which is why they call him the Screw Scheduler Extraordinaire.

You see, these puppets know what they are talking about!

[Londonrake]

Boeing CEO Dennis Muilenburg: 'We apologise to the families' https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-48454114

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[Londonrake]

[B25]

Just for Paphiti:

http://cyprusnews.eu/newsbombcy/9092637 ... FMe-Ji0zn4

Oh dear now what.

[Paphitis]

Just for Paphiti:

http://cyprusnews.eu/newsbombcy/9092637 ... FMe-Ji0zn4

Oh dear now what.

This news is about 2 months late.

The new software is up for certification right now, so they admitted their MCAS system was a contributory factor to the Ethiopian accident.

But the news outlets need to be very careful of the terminology used. Boeing has only admitted that it is a contributory factor to the accident. They have not and probably never will admit they actually caused the accident unless they are forced to by the investigation process if and only if they determine it was the root cause. That has not been determined yet and will not be determined for at least another 8 months from now when the final report is due.

It might not be the root cause at all as there seems to be differences of opinion on whether Boeing actually issued a procedure for the runaway trim (which they did). What they didn't do is provide adequate training material which is another contributory factor, plus the software was defective.

It's not a smart idea to speculate. Usually these investigations will come up with a multitude of contributory factors to the accident. There are always multiple factors to the accident. The fact that Boeing has accepting it is responsible for 2 contributory factors - training and rogue MCAS software and faulty sensors is old news. But there will easily be 10 or more other factors and Boeing won't be responsible for all of them.

[Robin Hood]

Paphitis:

This news is about 2 months late.

The new software is up for certification right now, so they admitted their MCAS system was a contributory factor to the Ethiopian accident.

But the news outlets need to be very careful of the terminology used. Boeing has only admitted that it is a contributory factor to the accident. They have not and probably never will admit they actually caused the accident unless they are forced to by the investigation process if and only if they determine it was the root cause. That has not been determined yet and will not be determined for at least another 8 months from now when the final report is due.

It might not be the root cause at all as there seems to be differences of opinion on whether Boeing actually issued a procedure for the runaway trim (which they did). What they didn't do is provide adequate training material which is another contributory factor, plus the software was defective.

It's not a smart idea to speculate. Usually these investigations will come up with a multitude of contributory factors to the accident. There are always multiple factors to the accident. The fact that Boeing has accepting it is responsible for 2 contributory factors - training and rogue MCAS software and faulty sensors is old news. But there will easily be 10 or more other factors and Boeing won't be responsible for all of them.

CONTRIBUTARY FACTOR!!! It was what caused the accident ..... full stop! Boeing have admitted it ..... no further blame allocation is necessary. If their MCAS system had not failed ....... the accident would not have occurred ..... or is that too complex for you to understand?

[Kikapu]

There were several contributing factors to the two MAXs crashes, but they all point to Boeing as being at fault at this point since the pilots did what they were suppose to do to save the planes from crashing.

[Paphitis]

There were several contributing factors to the two MAXs crashes, but they all point to Boeing as being at fault at this point since the pilots did what they were suppose to do to save the planes from crashing.

That is incorrect. There was a procedure published in the Flight manual. That has been verified.

The accusation is Boeing didn't provide adequate training material yes but because the procedure was published in the Flight Manual, the pilots should have had that procedure replicated into their Emergency Procedures and Quick Reference Handbook (QRH).

The investigation team will look at all those factors.

Only 2 to 3 factors point to Boeing. There could be many more factors here and they could point elsewhere. Nothing is quite as simple as saying Boeing is 100% at fault, or Ethiopian is 100% at fault.

There could also be Flight Crew issues and maintenance issues.

[Kikapu]

There were several contributing factors to the two MAXs crashes, but they all point to Boeing as being at fault at this point since the pilots did what they were suppose to do to save the planes from crashing.

That is incorrect. There was a procedure published in the Flight manual. That has been verified.

The accusation is Boeing didn't provide adequate training material yes but because the procedure was published in the Flight Manual, the pilots should have had that procedure replicated into their Emergency Procedures and Quick Reference Handbook (QRH).

The investigation team will look at all those factors.

Only 2 to 3 factors point to Boeing. There could be many more factors here and they could point elsewhere. Nothing is quite as simple as saying Boeing is 100% at fault, or Ethiopian is 100% at fault.

There could also be Flight Crew issues and maintenance issues.

The main contributing factor starts with why the MAX needed the MCAS in the first place and work back from there. All the rest of the contributing factors derived from
that point on.

[Robin Hood]

Paphitis

That is incorrect. There was a procedure published in the Flight manual. That has been verified.

Ytah ..... I should think the pilots were too busy at the time to read the f*****g manual!!!! MCAS Failed!

The accusation is Boeing didn't provide adequate training material yes but because the procedure was published in the Flight Manual, the pilots should have had that procedure replicated into their Emergency Procedures and Quick Reference Handbook (QRH).

See above ........ MCAS Failed!

The investigation team will look at all those factors.

Pity they didn't do it when they were told there were problems! As you demonstrate anyone can be an expert after the event! MCAS Failed!

Only 2 to 3 factors point to Boeing. There could be many more factors here and they could point elsewhere. Nothing is quite as simple as saying Boeing is 100% at fault, or Ethiopian is 100% at fault.

The fact the aircraft was in the air and not on the ground was a factor ....... who will you blame for that? MCAS Failed!

There could also be Flight Crew issues and maintenance issues.

You said :

"It's not a smart idea to speculate. Usually these investigations will come up with a multitude of contributory factors to the accident. There are always multiple factors to the accident. The fact that Boeing has accepting it is responsible for 2 contributory factors - training and rogue MCAS software and faulty sensors is old news.But there will easily be 10 or more other factors and Boeing won't be responsible for all of them."

"It's not a smart idea to speculate" ....... then you speculate! Are you as stupid as you appear ?

MCAS Failed! MCAS Failed! MCAS Failed! MCAS Failed! MCAS Failed! MCAS failure was the cause of the accident ....... there was no other cause ......just like metal fatigue caused the Comets to crash ..... and debris on the runway and a hit on full fuel tanks caused the Concorde crash .......... stop trying to pretend that the investigators will find another fall guy ......... MCAS Failed!

Jesus Christ and they let you fly aeroplanes .....