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[Lordo]

it makes no difference what citizenship or a passport a native american has. what matters is the fact they get murdered and they are not even recorded as murdered or missing.

you are full of shit as per usual. you give some pointless detail which makes no difference to the discussion but it makes you think you are clever. you are a pointless asshole top to bottom and side to side too for that matter.

[MR-from-NG]

[quote="Lordo"]it makes no difference what citizenship or a passport a native american has. what matters is the fact they get murdered and they are not even recorded as murdered or missing.

you are full of shit as per usual. you give some pointless detail which makes no difference to the discussion but it makes you think you are clever. you are a pointless asshole top to bottom and side to side too for that matter.[/quote]

[repulsewarrior]

...you have avoided answering my question twice now Lordo. I ask you, are you Cypriot?

As a Cypriot does it really matter if you are Turkish, or Greek?

And, in a Cyprus where only "Greeks" and "Turks" exist, rather than Universal Principals and a Rule of Law Cypriots are willing to defend, what about the inequality that will exist for those who do not qualify, (by some definition which is political, or a 'bloodline'), to be either? ...are they Cypriots; same problem, minorities will exist that require the majority to recognise them and provide, as well, for their special needs.

...without a strong Federal Government, do you trust the "Greeks" to respect the Rights of those who are not "Greek"? Similarly, could you depend on "Turks" to defend and provide for those not "Turkish"? I don't think so.

Being "Greek" or "Turkish" is anathema to "being" Cypriot (Greek or Turkish).

[Lordo]

...you have avoided answering my question twice now Lordo. I ask you, are you Cypriot?

As a Cypriot does it really matter if you are Turkish, or Greek?

And, in a Cyprus where only "Greeks" and "Turks" exist, rather than Universal Principals and a Rule of Law Cypriots are willing to defend, what about the inequality that will exist for those who do not qualify, (by some definition which is political, or a 'bloodline'), to be either? ...are they Cypriots; same problem, minorities will exist that require the majority to recognise them and provide, as well, for their special needs.

...without a strong Federal Government, do you trust the "Greeks" to respect the Rights of those who are not "Greek"? Similarly, could you depend on "Turks" to defend and provide for those not "Turkish"? I don't think so.

Being "Greek" or "Turkish" is anathema to "being" Cypriot (Greek or Turkish).

yes of course i am a cypriot rw but what does that change? nothing.

anastasiades has pushed us into a sink hole and he is on top of the hole doing zorba dance.

[Kikapu]

it makes no difference what citizenship or a passport a native american has. what matters is the fact they get murdered and they are not even recorded as murdered or missing.

you are full of shit as per usual. you give some pointless detail which makes no difference to the discussion but it makes you think you are clever. you are a pointless asshole top to bottom and side to side too for that matter.

What native American murders/missing and no freedoms for them are you talking about? Are you talking about 2-3 centuries ago or at present? Be very clear with your statements and not just throw shit on the wall to try and see what sticks and what doesn't!

[Lordo]

it makes no difference what citizenship or a passport a native american has. what matters is the fact they get murdered and they are not even recorded as murdered or missing.

you are full of shit as per usual. you give some pointless detail which makes no difference to the discussion but it makes you think you are clever. you are a pointless asshole top to bottom and side to side too for that matter.

What native American murders/missing and no freedoms for them are you talking about? Are you talking about 2-3 centuries ago or at present? Be very clear with your statements and not just throw shit on the wall to try and see what sticks and what doesn't!

is this shite coming out of your back end or your mouth today.
here is a bit of an extract

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The exact number of Indigenous women and girls who have gone missing or have been murdered in Canada since the 1970s is uncertain, with estimates ranging from approximately 1,000 to nearly 4,000. In response to activists, the Canadian government funded data collection on missing and murdered women, ending in 2010; the Native Women's Association of Canada has documented 582 cases since the 1960s, with 39% occurring after 2000. But advocacy groups say that many more women have been missing, with the highest number of cases in British Columbia. Some notable cases have included 19 women killed in the Highway of Tears murders, and up to 49 women from the Vancouver area, many of whom were indigenous, murdered by Robert Pickton.

Responding to repeated calls of Indigenous groups, other activists, and non-governmental organizations, the Government of Canada under Prime Minister Justin Trudeau established the National Inquiry into Missing and Murdered Indigenous Women and Girls in September 2016 >>

now then why are the numbers uncertain. why is there a need to set up an inquiry to find our how many surely the numbers must be recorded right?

as to usa 200 years ago they were poisoning them and killed 36 million so we know the numbers there is no need to count. i am talking about now where the federal company securty has more power than local police and are a law onto themselves and do as they wish to the natives and there is no list of the missing natives.

even if you had the figures who is to say they are correct.

when you have people reporting like the policeman the other day when a swine arrested a black man for holding a blunt instrument when the poor fellow lived there and he was picking up rubbish of his garden.

you really are blind as a bat. how is your clicks coming along.

[Kikapu]

Lordo, what is your pointless post with the native Americans and Canadians in this thread of Political Equality?

[repulsewarrior]

...not pointless; let's turn it around. In Canada, no one denies that this horrible incident is horrible. Justice is sought, and in the end Justice will be seen. Across Canada, now, the Commission has taken the extra time to hear from all the affected people, communities, law enforcement, and especially the families involved. No one denies the Injustice Native Canadians have suffered, Canadians seek to improve their condition, it is always a top priority in any Government.

...indeed racism and ignorance exist in Canada, it is in affect the same divide in Cyprus, between "Greeks" and Greeks, or "Turks" and Turks, those who will continue in a destructive (and criminal,) way of life selfishly, and those who understand that there is a responsibility we have toward each other by demonstrating the willingness to support Universal Principals, and a respect for the Rule of Law. Indeed Canada exists, and beside those who think Canadians are not Canadians because they are not "Canadian", the rest of us are a far better representation of who live in Canada.

...indeed the incidences these girls suffered are almost unbelievable, a systematic form of sexual exploitation for the most part, over years; find a helpless female, Native is best because it means that they are not local, rape her, make her disappear. Who wants to believe that such people live among us? And if they do, in Canada, while it has taken too long, the effort to change this, to end it, is there. While Justice may never be seen for some of these young people, Justice is done. Misery exists, and having found it, it is not ignored; what is your point? Despite the misery it sounds hopeful to me.

...you live in a strange world Lordo, the word transference comes to mind.

...you can step on America and Canada all you want, it does not diminish the notion that beyond the Person, and the Liberty it entails, as Individuals, Canadians as Canadians (Americans too) defend their Freedom as equals, for equality.

While it was Anastasiades who refused to accept all the conditions put to him, i remind you that everything that could satisfy Turkey's demands were accepted, except the Sovereignty of the Country he represents as its President.

...Akinci, if his intention is to be Anastasiades' equal, he may consider who he represents: Cypriots (who are Turcophone), or "Turks". Equal is easy to represent, let him stand underneath the Flag of Cyprus shaking Mr. Anastasiades' hand, because Cyprus, to a Cypriot is most important (perhaps with the flag of the Greek Constituency, the flag of his own Constituency, the Flag of Greece, Turkey, Britain, and the EU, far in the background somewhere).

...it is not a "new" Cyprus we need, although as Cypriots we need Constitutional Reform.

[kurupetos]

...you have avoided answering my question twice now Lordo. I ask you, are you Cypriot?

As a Cypriot does it really matter if you are Turkish, or Greek?

And, in a Cyprus where only "Greeks" and "Turks" exist, rather than Universal Principals and a Rule of Law Cypriots are willing to defend, what about the inequality that will exist for those who do not qualify, (by some definition which is political, or a 'bloodline'), to be either? ...are they Cypriots; same problem, minorities will exist that require the majority to recognise them and provide, as well, for their special needs.

...without a strong Federal Government, do you trust the "Greeks" to respect the Rights of those who are not "Greek"? Similarly, could you depend on "Turks" to defend and provide for those not "Turkish"? I don't think so.

Being "Greek" or "Turkish" is anathema to "being" Cypriot (Greek or Turkish).

yes of course i am a cypriot rw but what does that change? nothing.

anastasiades has pushed us into a sink hole and he is on top of the hole doing zorba dance.

If you are a Cypriot, you are a traitor; if you are a Turk, you are a criminal.

Now bugger off!

[Lordo]

...you have avoided answering my question twice now Lordo. I ask you, are you Cypriot?

As a Cypriot does it really matter if you are Turkish, or Greek?

And, in a Cyprus where only "Greeks" and "Turks" exist, rather than Universal Principals and a Rule of Law Cypriots are willing to defend, what about the inequality that will exist for those who do not qualify, (by some definition which is political, or a 'bloodline'), to be either? ...are they Cypriots; same problem, minorities will exist that require the majority to recognise them and provide, as well, for their special needs.

...without a strong Federal Government, do you trust the "Greeks" to respect the Rights of those who are not "Greek"? Similarly, could you depend on "Turks" to defend and provide for those not "Turkish"? I don't think so.

Being "Greek" or "Turkish" is anathema to "being" Cypriot (Greek or Turkish).

yes of course i am a cypriot rw but what does that change? nothing.

anastasiades has pushed us into a sink hole and he is on top of the hole doing zorba dance.

If you are a Cypriot, you are a traitor; if you are a Turk, you are a criminal.

Now bugger off!

have you been wearing your red pleated skirt and pom poms again boy