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[Pyrpolizer]

Yeh we have bad drivers in Australia and the USA Pyro.

We also have criminal activity and high speed police chases which end up on TV with choppers in the air following the car and some real dangerous stuff occurs. Soi dangerous that people can get killed.

We also have TV shows that show all the stupid things caught on the camera.

However, Australian and American drivers are generally pretty good and I say that because they are more considerate drivers than Cypriots are. They will let you in when you indicate. They will indicate their intentions and generally they will follow the rules to and they won't park illegally.

90% of the drivers let me in on A DAILY basis, when leaving from home as I have to enter a very populated avenue from a side road.
If they wouldn't I would get stuck there for hours! So that's another generalization.
I spent a few weeks for work in the USA and I also drove over there using my Cyprus driving license.Did you ever care to learn how they GET their driving license?? What kind of ACTUAL on the road test do they take? You will be shocked! So don't tell me these nonsense they are better drivers.Bring them here and if they won't crush from the very first day I will cut my throat.


The cops here are to be feared. They have zero tolerance.

If you transplanted Australian or the NYPD in Cyprus for a day, they would have a field day. you guys will not know what hit you.

They will pull over women for putting lipstick on. if they see a mobile phone, you will get pulled over. You guys will think they are draconian, but you know what, they will only target people who break the rules. In the process, they save a lot of lives too.

law enforcement is different here. It's actual law enforcement not a set of guidelines like in Cyprus which are hardly enforced.

Law enforcement can be lenient ON PURPOSE and not because the police is ineffective. Here all new cars have a hands free system for mobile phones. You press a button on the steering wheel and you talk. As simple as that.
Fines for using mobile phones are today 350 Euros. Who is more likely to illegally use an old generation mobile phone today in Cyprus? A rich guy with a brand new car or a poor guy earning 700/month or even an unemployed guy? 99% it's the latter. For this reason alone our police is not enforcing the law for mobile phones as it used to in the past. (at least that's my personal observation) What are you going to get from a poor or unemployed person? More misery, is that what the police is all about?

[miltiades]

When you are next driving your car make a note how many drivers Indicate when turning or pulling out, how many take a right turn correctly, how many are using mobiles, especialy women , how many are breaking speed limits you may find that a very large percentage do not obey traffic laws. Check out how many go through red lights.
In short, most Cypriot drivers are suitable to ride donkeys. You do not agree since you obviously are just as bad as everyone else.
I have had more than 50 years of driving experience and Im telling you 90% of Cypriot drivers are BAD.
Just check how many crashes, stupid crashes happen on a daily basis.

[Pyrpolizer]

When you are next driving your car make a note how many drivers Indicate when turning or pulling out, how many take a right turn correctly, how many are using mobiles, especialy women , how many are breaking speed limits you may find that a very large percentage do not obey traffic laws. Check out how many go through red lights.
In short, most Cypriot drivers are suitable to ride donkeys. You do not agree since you obviously are just as bad as everyone else.
I have had more than 50 years of driving experience and Im telling you 90% of Cypriot drivers are BAD.
Just check how many crashes, stupid crashes happen on a daily basis.

Well if you like indicating like a robot you might as well do so in reverse gear. Cypriots use common sense
and almost everybody indicates when necessary.
As for breaking the speed limit, i actually met a guy yesterday on my way home from Larnaca among say 500 in the road.
I am not buying your 90% statistics.

[miltiades]

You obviously "learned" to drive in Cyprus since you consider that indicating is not necessary every time one turns or pulls out.
Typical Cypriot attitude to driving.
By the way when reversing out your drive on to ANY road you must put your indicator on. There is a complete ignorance of international driving standards, just look at any traffic lights when red, you will always see some peasant pulling or crawling past the line, why ? Because these peasants have yet to learn that driving a car requires a little more discipline than riding a donkey.
I bet you have had a number of crashes, either someone shafting you from the back or you doing the same. If you consider my 50 plus years of driving as a ....waste of time then carry on riding your donkey.

[Pyrpolizer]

You obviously "learned" to drive in Cyprus since you consider that indicating is not necessary every time one turns or pulls out.
Typical Cypriot attitude to driving.
By the way when reversing out your drive on to ANY road you must put your indicator on. There is a complete ignorance of international driving standards, just look at any traffic lights when red, you will always see some peasant pulling or crawling past the line, why ? Because these peasants have yet to learn that driving a car requires a little more discipline than riding a donkey.
I bet you have had a number of crashes, either someone shafting you from the back or you doing the same. If you consider my 50 plus years of driving as a ....waste of time then carry on riding your donkey.

Its the hazard lights you should put on. The indicator won't even stay in place.
I would love watching you driving like a robot.
I 've seen some kojagares like you becoming the cause of accidents.

[Paphitis]

When you are next driving your car make a note how many drivers Indicate when turning or pulling out, how many take a right turn correctly, how many are using mobiles, especialy women , how many are breaking speed limits you may find that a very large percentage do not obey traffic laws. Check out how many go through red lights.
In short, most Cypriot drivers are suitable to ride donkeys. You do not agree since you obviously are just as bad as everyone else.
I have had more than 50 years of driving experience and Im telling you 90% of Cypriot drivers are BAD.
Just check how many crashes, stupid crashes happen on a daily basis.

Well if you like indicating like a robot you might as well do so in reverse gear. Cypriots use common sense
and almost everybody indicates when necessary.
As for breaking the speed limit, i actually met a guy yesterday on my way home from Larnaca among say 500 in the road.
I am not buying your 90% statistics.

Oh dear! You don't like to indicate there Pyro.

Well come to Australia or the USA and try driving there. Tell the copper you don't like indicating because its robotic. Tell them you might as well be in reverse gear. They will laugh and be talking about you during smoko.

This is WHY Cypriots are terrible on the roads and generally inconsiderate.

As to 90% of drivers breaking the speed limit. No one said that at all. However, the incidence of speeding is MORE in Cyprus than in other countries. Therefore, Cypriots are more relaxed about the rules too, such as indicating because you pointed out that you might as well be in reverse gear.

Well here is the thing. Your attitude is poor and its disrespectful to other road users - hence you are an inconsiderate driver because you are flippant not only with your safety, but the safety of other road users. FACT.

You just walked into that.

In Australia, you got to indicate. because if you don't indicate all the time, then eventually you are going to get pulled over by the police. No ifs or buts about it. No bitching or whining. The police will pull you over and they will ruin your day, for being a flippant and inconsiderate arsehole towards your own safety and the safety of other road users. So this will modify your behavior eventually and before you know it, you are going to be driving and indicating every turn and lane change. Believe me, there are advantages to indicating, because in Australia and the USA other drivers will slow down for you and make space and let you in. It's all a part of being considerate to your fellow motorist.

In Cyprus that doesn't happen as much because there are more arseholes and more selfish road users (like you on your own admission) and that to me translates and equates to bad and unsafe driving, that is more aggressive and less considerate to safety.

There is something about the Cypriot, which ordinarily is a pleasant chap outside the vehicle, but when they get behind the steering wheel, their IQ seems to take a plummet for some strange reason. This needs to be scientifically investigated in my opinion.

Therefore, you have more crashes, and driving in Cyprus is a chore rather than a pleasure like it is in Australia.

[Pyrpolizer]

When you are next driving your car make a note how many drivers Indicate when turning or pulling out, how many take a right turn correctly, how many are using mobiles, especialy women , how many are breaking speed limits you may find that a very large percentage do not obey traffic laws. Check out how many go through red lights.
In short, most Cypriot drivers are suitable to ride donkeys. You do not agree since you obviously are just as bad as everyone else.
I have had more than 50 years of driving experience and Im telling you 90% of Cypriot drivers are BAD.
Just check how many crashes, stupid crashes happen on a daily basis.

Well if you like indicating like a robot you might as well do so in reverse gear. Cypriots use common sense
and almost everybody indicates when necessary.
As for breaking the speed limit, i actually met a guy yesterday on my way home from Larnaca among say 500 in the road.
I am not buying your 90% statistics.

Oh dear! You don't like to indicate there Pyro.

Well come to Australia or the USA and try driving there. Tell the copper you don't like indicating because its robotic. Tell them you might as well be in reverse gear. They will laugh and be talking about you during smoko.

This is WHY Cypriots are terrible on the roads and generally inconsiderate.

As to 90% of drivers breaking the speed limit. No one said that at all. However, the incidence of speeding is MORE in Cyprus than in other countries. Therefore, Cypriots are more relaxed about the rules too, such as indicating because you pointed out that you might as well be in reverse gear.

Well here is the thing. Your attitude is poor and its disrespectful to other road users - hence you are an inconsiderate driver because you are flippant not only with your safety, but the safety of other road users. FACT.

You just walked into that.

In Australia, you got to indicate. because if you don't indicate all the time, then eventually you are going to get pulled over by the police. No ifs or buts about it. No bitching or whining. The police will pull you over and they will ruin your day, for being a flippant and inconsiderate arsehole towards your own safety and the safety of other road users. So this will modify your behavior eventually and before you know it, you are going to be driving and indicating every turn and lane change. Believe me, there are advantages to indicating, because in Australia and the USA other drivers will slow down for you and make space and let you in. It's all a part of being considerate to your fellow motorist.

In Cyprus that doesn't happen as much because there are more arseholes and more selfish road users (like you on your own admission) and that to me translates and equates to bad and unsafe driving, that is more aggressive and less considerate to safety.

There is something about the Cypriot, which ordinarily is a pleasant chap outside the vehicle, but when they get behind the steering wheel, their IQ seems to take a plummet for some strange reason. This needs to be scientifically investigated in my opinion.

Therefore, you have more crashes, and driving in Cyprus is a chore rather than a pleasure like it is in Australia.

Paphitis stop the nonsense and read carefully before replying.
I already said I drove in the USA. I already asked you to learn how they get their driving license in the USA and what type of test on the road they are taking. You did not check and have no idea. You are always hypothesizing.
As for indicating I didn't talk for myself (that was Milti;s weird understanding and your more weird assuming) but from the general perspective of using common sense. Ask any driving coach even in Holy rosy Australia, he will tell you that indicating is not the #1 thing you should do. The #1 priority is to make sure by checking the mirrors that the road is safe to do what your intending.Indicating does NOT give you any extra rights,and make sure you understand this.
As for having more accidents than what you have - stop perpetuating your fallacies, do read the statistics.

[Paphitis]

When you are next driving your car make a note how many drivers Indicate when turning or pulling out, how many take a right turn correctly, how many are using mobiles, especialy women , how many are breaking speed limits you may find that a very large percentage do not obey traffic laws. Check out how many go through red lights.
In short, most Cypriot drivers are suitable to ride donkeys. You do not agree since you obviously are just as bad as everyone else.
I have had more than 50 years of driving experience and Im telling you 90% of Cypriot drivers are BAD.
Just check how many crashes, stupid crashes happen on a daily basis.

Well if you like indicating like a robot you might as well do so in reverse gear. Cypriots use common sense
and almost everybody indicates when necessary.
As for breaking the speed limit, i actually met a guy yesterday on my way home from Larnaca among say 500 in the road.
I am not buying your 90% statistics.

Oh dear! You don't like to indicate there Pyro.

Well come to Australia or the USA and try driving there. Tell the copper you don't like indicating because its robotic. Tell them you might as well be in reverse gear. They will laugh and be talking about you during smoko.

This is WHY Cypriots are terrible on the roads and generally inconsiderate.

As to 90% of drivers breaking the speed limit. No one said that at all. However, the incidence of speeding is MORE in Cyprus than in other countries. Therefore, Cypriots are more relaxed about the rules too, such as indicating because you pointed out that you might as well be in reverse gear.

Well here is the thing. Your attitude is poor and its disrespectful to other road users - hence you are an inconsiderate driver because you are flippant not only with your safety, but the safety of other road users. FACT.

You just walked into that.

In Australia, you got to indicate. because if you don't indicate all the time, then eventually you are going to get pulled over by the police. No ifs or buts about it. No bitching or whining. The police will pull you over and they will ruin your day, for being a flippant and inconsiderate arsehole towards your own safety and the safety of other road users. So this will modify your behavior eventually and before you know it, you are going to be driving and indicating every turn and lane change. Believe me, there are advantages to indicating, because in Australia and the USA other drivers will slow down for you and make space and let you in. It's all a part of being considerate to your fellow motorist.

In Cyprus that doesn't happen as much because there are more arseholes and more selfish road users (like you on your own admission) and that to me translates and equates to bad and unsafe driving, that is more aggressive and less considerate to safety.

There is something about the Cypriot, which ordinarily is a pleasant chap outside the vehicle, but when they get behind the steering wheel, their IQ seems to take a plummet for some strange reason. This needs to be scientifically investigated in my opinion.

Therefore, you have more crashes, and driving in Cyprus is a chore rather than a pleasure like it is in Australia.

Paphitis stop the nonsense and read carefully before replying.
I already said I drove in the USA. I already asked you to learn how they get their driving license in the USA and what type of test on the road they are taking. You did not check and have no idea. You are always hypothesizing.
As for indicating I didn't talk for myself (that was Milti;s weird understanding and your more weird assuming) but from the general perspective of using common sense. Ask any driving coach even in Holy rosy Australia, he will tell you that indicating is not the #1 thing you should do. The #1 priority is to make sure by checking the mirrors that the road is safe to do what your intending.Indicating does NOT give you any extra rights,and make sure you understand this.
As for having more accidents than what you have - stop perpetuating your fallacies, do read the statistics.

No I have no idea what test they do.

All I know is that I wasn't required to do any test. My Australian licence was acceptable to them and they allowed me to drive.

The USA, like Australia, is a Federated State and has a number of jurisdictions, so the rules vary considerable from one State to another just like they vary in Australia. Even some of the road rules vary.

In Australia, most States have introduced a logbook system.

To get a licvence you need to do a number of modules (lessons) and have them marked off in a logbook. You need to do something like 200 hours of driving lessons before getting a license. But as I said, it varies from one State to another.

It is very hard getting a license now in Australia, and expensive too. When i got my license all I needed to do was pass a written test and then pass a driving test. Now, its 200 hours in the logbook, modules, written tests and then the final driving exam.

And that gets you a Probationary License only. If you slip up once, you lose it straight away and are forced to start again.

The Government has clamped down on young drivers, because they are the ones who kill themselves statistically.

It's become such a pain in the arse to get a licence, many young are now not bothering to get one in the cities and rely on cabs and public transport. Especially in places like Sydney.

On the subject of indicating. It is law to indicate your turning and lane changes in Australia in every State. If you turn or change lane in Australia and the police see you, you will be fined.

If you were doing a driving test with an instructor in Australia and you failed to indicate, it would be an instant FAIL. You won't get a license, so yes it's pretty important.

[Pyrpolizer]

Well like I said, I only went to the US a couple of times for work, and I had absolutely no problem driving.
The driving test at that specific state was a written exam plus an on road test in a pre designed test area.
Greeks living there told me it was a piece of cake...
Cypriots are excellent drivers Paphitis and can drive in "easy" places like the US with absolutely no problem.
Now give any foreigner the wheel in Cyprus and if he won't crash in a week I will cut my throat.
This proves we are better than anyone, because we are trained in a very difficult road system where you have to be extremely careful.
Notice within just 10 days I got a fine ticket in the US. I parked at the side of an empty plot full of weeds. They fined me $40 for parking on the grass!!!
One thing is certain to me. You can get fined in a foreign country for silly reasons but never for silly reasons in Cyprus.
I bet your police would fine me for not indicating in an empty highway, but wouldn't fine me if i caused an accident without checking the road through the mirrors before indicating.

[Paphitis]

Well like I said, I only went to the US a couple of times for work, and I had absolutely no problem driving.
The driving test at that specific state was a written exam plus an on road test in a pre designed test area.
Greeks living there told me it was a piece of cake...
Cypriots are excellent drivers Paphitis and can drive in "easy" places like the US with absolutely no problem.
Now give any foreigner the wheel in Cyprus and if he won't crash in a week I will cut my throat.
This proves we are better than anyone, because we are trained in a very difficult road system where you have to be extremely careful.
Notice within just 10 days I got a fine ticket in the US. I parked at the side of an empty plot full of weeds. They fined me $40 for parking on the grass!!!
One thing is certain to me. You can get fined in a foreign country for silly reasons but never for silly reasons in Cyprus.

That was the requirement in Australia, however, it all changed about 5 years ago. It was a piece of cake in Australia as well. It just isn't a piece of cake anymore, and knowing that the USA always review their laws, I seriously doubt its as easy today as it was a few years ago. Plus, 52 States = 52 jurisdictions. The laws vary. Some States are a lot tougher than others. Some States have the Death Penalty and others don't.

The USA is fluid, they too would have changed or evolved. Probably also have a logbook system. I know many EU countries have a logbook. One country follows the other.

Once some countries change, everyone follows if they think it has an impact and I believe it has had an impact on the number of deaths.

I don't believe Cypriots are excellent drivers because I find them inconsiderate and seem to think the road rules are flexible. Sorry! Transplant the NYPD or LAPD into Cyprus and your heads will spin.

I don't want to be offensive, but for me, Cypriot drivers are pretty shit. They think they are good drivers, but they are not when they think they can speed, not indicate and double park and tailgate. And when you indicate to change lanes in a busy street and they behave like they don't give 2 hoots. To me, they are crap drivers.

When you blokes get behind the wheel, your IQ takes a nosedive.

I really don't understand what is so hard about driving on Cypriot Roads. OK some road conditions in Troodhos can be challenging, but overall your roads are OK, especially the highways. What I find challenging in Cyprus are the other drivers and their stupid behavior, like motorcyclists not wearing helmets, passengers not wearing seat belts and so on.

What is apparent to me is that the police in Cyprus are a lot more lax than in the USA. There is a good chance you won't get fined, so people break the rules and cause accidents. In the USA, you will get a fine for not wearing a helmet, or a seat-belt, or parking where you are not suppose to. So, on average, i believe the Americans are better drivers and as hell of a lot more considerate and kind.

One of the reasons why the USA has better roads and conditions is because the police will give you a parking ticket for parking on the grass. Next time, you will know not to do that, so they have modified and corrected your behavior. You will only do it once right? Unless you are a totally stupid moron that is.