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[Paphitis]

Here’s a bunch of things I reckon are far more urgent than our bad driving...

* The proliferation of gay phone ownership.
* Grivas’ death anniversaries.
* The surge in drug use and drug related crime.
* The surge in refugee arrivals and issues.
* APOEL’s penalty gifts.

The Cyprus water suppy! There is definitely something weird in it mate...

[Paphitis]

This also explains why insurance premiums are low in Cyprus.

Theft, accidents and fatalities are low, so the probability of payout from the insurance company for any claim is low.

Actuaries make their decisions on how to price insurance premiums based on real numbers, probabilities and facts.

if the roads in Cyprus were unsafe, if the insurance companies had a higher risk of payout, then premiums would be higher than what they are.

Which they are not. Motor Insurance is cheap in Cyprus.

Hey Max, I don't particularly care that much about the issue. Although I nearly got arrested once by the Greek Police in Zakynthos because I told them they are in African or South East Asia tin pot when this idiot on a motor bike flew past me shirtless, and without a helmet taking off my side mirror. I called them a tinpot because in Australia, the coppers would have fucked that motorcyclist over and might have even impounded their bike for hoon driving.

The truth is, Greece and Cyprus isn't as bad as some African or Asian countries. Probably quite safe if you selectively compare the stats to these.

But overall, Cypriot roads are not as safe as many developed OECD. If you compare the results there, Cyprus is quite bad, and only just a tiny fraction behind Greece.

In the end what does this mean for Cyprus? Well the upside is that Cyprus could be doing more to save young lives and if they try a little harder, lives will be saved which is great upside right?

How can they do better? Well, a very strict no tolerance approach is needed. Better education programs at school with regard to driving and road safety. More police enforcement etc. Better roads. They could make it harder to get a license. For example, introduce a log book for training new drivers. Reduce the alcohol limit to 0.05 and have more RBTs

https://ec.europa.eu/transport/road_saf ... sr2018.pdf

If you look at page 6, Cyprus does not fare well to most of Europe, certainly not well when you compare Cyprus to places like the UK and Netherlands. Fares better against Lithuania and Poland. But on a positive note, all EU countries reduced their fatalities drastically from 2007, Cyprus incluided. But Cyprus has a long way to go to get close to the more developed European countries

[Maximus]

for 2016, which is what the data goes up to;

Fatalities made up 7.7% of total injury accidents in Cyprus. These fatality numbers also include pedestrians and passengers not driving a vehicle.

Although a touch higher than the EU average for the year you are not looking at the combined.

Overall, you are less likely to be involved in an accident in Cyprus but if you are, there is a slightly higher than average chance it could be a fatal one.

[Paphitis]

for 2016, which is what the data goes up to;

Fatalities made up 7.7% of total injury accidents in Cyprus. These fatality numbers also include pedestrians and passengers not driving a vehicle.

Although a touch higher than the EU average for the year you are not looking at the combined.

Overall, you are less likely to be involved in an accident in Cyprus but if you are, there is a slightly higher than average chance it could be a fatal one.

Welllet me give you a statistic to mull over.

The Australian Death Toll is about 1143 people per year - population 25 million and a continent that is larger than all of the EU.

Cyprus, which is a seventh the size of Tasmania has a road toll of about 150. You do the math.

Where are you more likely to die?

My rudimentary mental arithmetic suggests that you are 420% more likely to die on Cypriot Roads than I am on Australian Roads.

Now given that this is true, and similar to the UK, Netherlands, and others across Europe, why not have a look at what these countries are doing or have done to reduce their roadside fatalities. There are things can that can be done in Cyprus to save lives.

[Maximus]

It is absolutely not true.

1143 / 25 million people = 0.000046 % chance of having a fatal car accident in Australia.

54 / 1 million people = 0.000054 % chance of having a fatal car accident in Cyprus.

You are 0.000008 % more likely to be involved in a fatal car accident in Cyprus than you are in Australia.

based on these fatality vs population numbers.

[Maximus]

but we are using 2016's data here.

Total road fatalities in Australia in 2016 was 1293

which makes the probability 0.000052 %

So you are only 0.000002 % more likely to have a fatal car accident in Cyprus compared to Australia.

Its so marginal, you might as well try to split an atom.

[Maximus]

in real % terms,

52 / 54 = 0.96

You are about 4% more likely to die if you are involved in a motor accident in Cyprus compared to if you are involved in a motor accident in Australia.

[Paphitis]

It is absolutely not true.

1143 / 25 million people = 0.000046 % chance of having a fatal car accident in Australia.

54 / 1 million people = 0.000054 % chance of having a fatal car accident in Cyprus.

You are 0.000008 % more likely to be involved in a fatal car accident in Cyprus than you are in Australia.

based on these fatality vs population numbers.

How many kilometers and time would the average Australian spend on the road Max?

The island of Cyprus is about the size of the Greater Sydney area. People drive for 90 minutes to go to work.

Do you think Australians stay in their city or drive up and down the coast? Also, represents other challenges such as dodgy country roads and tiredness and fatigue related crashes if you go to the hinterland, and a lot of people live there. Sometimes there is 200 kilometers between the nearest farmhouse or property. That's a 2 hour drive to see your neighbor.

They don't measure this kind of data, but going from my own personal experience. We do drive a shit load more than you do. It isn't a small difference. We are talking about the average Australian driver doing possible 25,000 kms per year and that's conservative.

Now apply that nuance to the arithmetic and tell us where you are more likely to die.

[Maximus]

It is absolutely not true.

1143 / 25 million people = 0.000046 % chance of having a fatal car accident in Australia.

54 / 1 million people = 0.000054 % chance of having a fatal car accident in Cyprus.

You are 0.000008 % more likely to be involved in a fatal car accident in Cyprus than you are in Australia.

based on these fatality vs population numbers.

How many kilometers and time would the average Australian spend on the road Max?

The island of Cyprus is about the size of the Greater Sydney area. People drive for 90 minutes to go to work.

Do you think Australians stay in their city or drive up and down the coast? Also, represents other challenges such as dodgy country roads and tiredness and fatigue related crashes if you go to the hinterland, and a lot of people live there. Sometimes there is 200 kilometers between the nearest farmhouse or property. That's a 2 hour drive to see your neighbor.

They don't measure this kind of data, but going from my own personal experience. We do drive a shit load more than you do. It isn't a small difference. We are talking about the average Australian driver doing possible 25,000 kms per year and that's conservative.

Now apply that nuance to the arithmetic and tell us where you are more likely to die.

What are you talking about mate?

1293 people died in Australia in 2016 from road related accidents.

There are 25 million people in the country.

The chance of someone dying in a road related accident is about 0.000052%

If you disagree, then quantify it for me. What is the probability of someone dying from a driving related accident in Australia in any single year? Roughly?

[Paphitis]

You know what I am talking about Max. But as I said, i don't care.

My Son will not be driving in Cyprus so I don't have to worry about that knock on the door. Yes, I would rather my Son drive in Australia or even the USA and I believe that knock on the door is less likely. You got to watch the boys because we have this thing called testosterone. It's the boys that are more likely to kill themselves too.

When you drive around different parts of the world, you start to appreciate the different nuances. Driving in Germany, UK, Australia or USA is different to driving in Cyprus. the drivers are different, have different temperaments and behaviors as well.

Even within the same country. Drivers in New York are different to drivers in LA, and drivers in Sydney are different to drivers in Adelaide. For instance drivers in Adelaide are more selfish and inconsiderate than drivers in Melbourne, Sydney and Brisbane. probably because in Sydney and Melbourne they will let you in when you want to change lanes. In Adelaide it is less likely you will find as good as drivers as you find in Sydney.

But overall, the drivers in Cyprus in my humble opinion are terrible. they are inconsiderate, and you see them do many stupid things on the road too. That is just my experience. At the end of the day though, don't care. It's just Milti is kind of right in some ways. The Cypriot driver can be pretty bad and the only way you can understand this is by actually coming to Australia or the USA and drive around. It's actually amazing that in places like LA, New York and Sydney, cars will make room for you when you indicate. You wave at them and they wave back or give you a thumbs up.

Probably because if you find yourself in the wrong lane, you are stuffed too, so people make allowances but also because our police are everywhere too, and they don't muck around either.