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[cyprusgrump]

I’ve got a couple of questions about the above Kikapu!

Why would the cops want to arrest you or anyone else badly unless you are already known to them?

If you are about to be arrested, I agree that your best option is to say nothing. That may aggravate them further but you are going to be arrested anyway for whatever it is they are going to arrest with with.

What they don’t do is arrest you for no reason or anything like that. They need something to arrest you with.

About the video. The guy who made it doesn’t like the police. He is a commentator about social topics and politics usually involving racial issues. I have watched a number of his videos and he isn’t pro police but does make comment on race issues, and also about extreme left or social politics, the me too movement and gender politics among other things. That is his angle. He is a culture war commentator.

Now have you ever been involved in police violating your rights?

When getting pulled over, I think it is smart to answer their questions and to be polite. It’s pretty stupid invoking your 5th when all they are stopping you for is for a traffic violation or a routine check. It probably would aggravate them too. Why would you invoke the 5th whether it’s your right or not over a stupid traffic infringement which only involves a fine?

Where you would invoke the 5 is if you robbed a Bank or when you are alleged to have broken other laws like let’s say you assaulted someone, or some other fairly serious criminal charge. The reason for that is because by opening your mouth in this emotional state could put yourself in a worse situation. You should be speaking to a lawyer before you speak to them or answer any of their questions. That is your right. They can’t do anything about it either. They can’t add other charges because they need evidence to charge you. You have this right in Australia too, the only difference is that the USA has enshrined these rights in the Bill of Rights within the US Constitution which in my opinion is awesome.

They could lie yes but usually they get found out and when that happens the shit hits the fan. There are so many organisations that have the power to investigate them and they are not above the law. In Australia we have the Police Ombudsman who will investigate any claims of wrongdoing.

I have an example. My dad was once in an altercation with 2 police officers many years ago whilst they were off duty. The 2 police officers were involved in a traffic accident and one of them died. The next day they tried framing my dad with assault, manslaughter and all kinds of things because one of their mates was in a morgue. It didn’t fly, and in the end they got into a lot of trouble. There was even an inquiry against them for racist behaviour.

That’s the only anecdotal evidence I have that supports your claim. I remember being followed to school whenever the police saw me. This was a small country town, the police were racist and this was in the seventies. It was very surreal, like Mississippi Burning. I grew up in a very conservative redneck country area. There were only 2 Greek Families and 2 Italian Families and we were not liked by the police.

Never experienced any police stuff since then though. And never really been in trouble with them despite maybe a couple of traffic violations when I was young. I do recall having fear issues of the police. I didn’t like them or trust them. In fact I had a phobia of them because of these traumatic experiences with them when I was young.

Have I seen them try to frame me since? No they haven’t. Have I seen them violate other people for no reason? No I have not.

In the USA you have your rights but it’s a bit silly upholding the 5th when all they want to do is see your ID, ask you for a breath analysis, or issue you with a speeding ticket. That would be aggravating to them and they probably would give you a hard time for being an idiotic wanker. If you answer their questions and are generally polite, you could even be let of with a verbal warning about your traffic infringement which they don’t have to do.

Sorry but that’s not violating your HR.

Yet another long but extremely interesting monologue from Paphitis...



...said nobody!

[Pyrpolizer]

Yet another long but extremely interesting monologue from Paphitis...



...said nobody!

Yeah, first time we heard anything other than "Australia this-Australia that".
Today we heard something new :
"Australia this-Australia that -Australia badacock"

[Paphitis]

Yet another long but extremely interesting monologue from Paphitis...



...said nobody!

Yeah, first time we heard anything other than "Australia this-Australia that".
Today we heard something new :
"Australia this-Australia that -Australia badacock"

Pyro,

I'm really sorry you don't like it but we were talking about Cypriot Drivers and I made some comparisons through my own experience comparing Cypriot Drivers.

According to these experiences, Cypriot drivers are not at the same level of other drivers in countries like Australia, USA and Canada. This is just factual information.

Why? Because Cypriot drivers are like 2 times more selfish and inconsiderate on the roads and do not respect or fear authority as much perhaps.

It's got nothing to do with saying Australia is better than Cyprus or USA is better or what have you. And like I said many times already, I don't really care about it. You can live with your delusion. It doesn't bother me.

But in the USA you have nice footpaths, and nature strips. Same in Australia. Yes if you park on them, you will get fined. If only Cyprus had this too. I would much rather these nature strips to be in Cyprus and for peoplr to respect that space.

[Pyrpolizer]

Yet another long but extremely interesting monologue from Paphitis...



...said nobody!

Yeah, first time we heard anything other than "Australia this-Australia that".
Today we heard something new :
"Australia this-Australia that -Australia badacock"

Pyro,

I'm really sorry you don't like it but we were talking about Cypriot Drivers and I made some comparisons through my own experience comparing Cypriot Drivers.

According to these experiences, Cypriot drivers are not at the same level of other drivers in countries like Australia, USA and Canada. This is just factual information.

Why? Because Cypriot drivers are like 2 times more selfish and inconsiderate on the roads and do not respect or fear authority as much perhaps.

It's got nothing to do with saying Australia is better than Cyprus or USA is better or what have you. And like I said many times already, I don't really care about it. You can live with your delusion. It doesn't bother me.

But in the USA you have nice footpaths, and nature strips. Same in Australia. Yes if you park on them, you will get fined. If only Cyprus had this too. I would much rather these nature strips to be in Cyprus and for peoplr to respect that space.

You should train yourself to be relevant to what you are replying.
I didn't say anything about driving!
Did you understand to which part of your rather informative post my "badacock" word was referring to??? (Hint: =bad-a-cock)

[Kikapu]

I’ve got a couple of questions about the above Kikapu!

Why would the cops want to arrest you or anyone else badly unless you are already known to them?

If you are about to be arrested, I agree that your best option is to say nothing. That may aggravate them further but you are going to be arrested anyway for whatever it is they are going to arrest with with.

What they don’t do is arrest you for no reason or anything like that. They need something to arrest you with.

About the video. The guy who made it doesn’t like the police. He is a commentator about social topics and politics usually involving racial issues. I have watched a number of his videos and he isn’t pro police but does make comment on race issues, and also about extreme left or social politics, the me too movement and gender politics among other things. That is his angle. He is a culture war commentator.

Now have you ever been involved in police violating your rights?

When getting pulled over, I think it is smart to answer their questions and to be polite. It’s pretty stupid invoking your 5th when all they are stopping you for is for a traffic violation or a routine check. It probably would aggravate them too. Why would you invoke the 5th whether it’s your right or not over a stupid traffic infringement which only involves a fine?

Where you would invoke the 5 is if you robbed a Bank or when you are alleged to have broken other laws like let’s say you assaulted someone, or some other fairly serious criminal charge. The reason for that is because by opening your mouth in this emotional state could put yourself in a worse situation. You should be speaking to a lawyer before you speak to them or answer any of their questions. That is your right. They can’t do anything about it either. They can’t add other charges because they need evidence to charge you. You have this right in Australia too, the only difference is that the USA has enshrined these rights in the Bill of Rights within the US Constitution which in my opinion is awesome.

They could lie yes but usually they get found out and when that happens the shit hits the fan. There are so many organisations that have the power to investigate them and they are not above the law. In Australia we have the Police Ombudsman who will investigate any claims of wrongdoing.

I have an example. My dad was once in an altercation with 2 police officers many years ago whilst they were off duty. The 2 police officers were involved in a traffic accident and one of them died. The next day they tried framing my dad with assault, manslaughter and all kinds of things because one of their mates was in a morgue. It didn’t fly, and in the end they got into a lot of trouble. There was even an inquiry against them for racist behaviour.

That’s the only anecdotal evidence I have that supports your claim. I remember being followed to school whenever the police saw me. This was a small country town, the police were racist and this was in the seventies. It was very surreal, like Mississippi Burning. I grew up in a very conservative redneck country area. There were only 2 Greek Families and 2 Italian Families and we were not liked by the police.

Never experienced any police stuff since then though. And never really been in trouble with them despite maybe a couple of traffic violations when I was young. I do recall having fear issues of the police. I didn’t like them or trust them. In fact I had a phobia of them because of these traumatic experiences with them when I was young.

Have I seen them try to frame me since? No they haven’t. Have I seen them violate other people for no reason? No I have not.

In the USA you have your rights but it’s a bit silly upholding the 5th when all they want to do is see your ID, ask you for a breath analysis, or issue you with a speeding ticket. That would be aggravating to them and they probably would give you a hard time for being an idiotic wanker. If you answer their questions and are generally polite, you could even be let of with a verbal warning about your traffic infringement which they don’t have to do.

Sorry but that’s not violating your HR.

Paphitis,

It is not about the Cops in the USA violating mine or others Human Rights. They would have a hard time in doing that, as much as they would love to. I'm sure as the case would be to almost all police forces around the world. It is to do with violating peoples civil rights and the protection we have under the US constitution, which these officers take an oath to protect these individual rights, but somewhere along the way, most cops use their given powers by the people to act in an expedient way in dealing with the public, which results in violating those individual rights if left unchallenged.

Most people do not know their rights, so the cops walk all over them. It is not a case of "if you have nothing to hide it is ok to answer cops questions", because cops are only interested to find as much information on you as possible, which may direct them to something more about that individual than the initial traffic stop or initial reasons to ask questions. It is always a bad idea to give cops anymore information than you are legally required. They do not like it when you use your rights, because they want to control the situation. But if you know your rights and you refuse to give information you are legally not obliged to or have your vehicle, home or person searched, yes, that will piss off the police and they try to intimidate and bully you, but as long as you have the law on your side, they can't do shit, because the only reason it prevents the cops from abusing their powers, is the law that puts them in check, which is why it is always important to video all your contact with the police.

Some cops are so use to abusing their powers, they can't help themselves and try to do so even when recorded. Some arrogance and disdain they show to individual rights and the constitution. They don't care if they get reported or even fired, as they get another job in the next town or county. This is why they have become "legal gangs" vs. the neighbourhood gangs. The only thing separates them is the badge and the uniform. I know there are some good cops, but overall, they all eventually become bad cops, and if any of them violates anyone's civil rights and the constitution, let alone the oath they have taken to protect the constitution and the civil rights of the citizens, then that qualify them as being bad cops......period.

[Paphitis]

Yet another long but extremely interesting monologue from Paphitis...



...said nobody!

Yeah, first time we heard anything other than "Australia this-Australia that".
Today we heard something new :
"Australia this-Australia that -Australia badacock"

Pyro,

I'm really sorry you don't like it but we were talking about Cypriot Drivers and I made some comparisons through my own experience comparing Cypriot Drivers.

According to these experiences, Cypriot drivers are not at the same level of other drivers in countries like Australia, USA and Canada. This is just factual information.

Why? Because Cypriot drivers are like 2 times more selfish and inconsiderate on the roads and do not respect or fear authority as much perhaps.

It's got nothing to do with saying Australia is better than Cyprus or USA is better or what have you. And like I said many times already, I don't really care about it. You can live with your delusion. It doesn't bother me.

But in the USA you have nice footpaths, and nature strips. Same in Australia. Yes if you park on them, you will get fined. If only Cyprus had this too. I would much rather these nature strips to be in Cyprus and for peoplr to respect that space.

You should train yourself to be relevant to what you are replying.
I didn't say anything about driving!
Did you understand to which part of your rather informative post my "badacock" word was referring to??? (Hint: =bad-a-cock)

I was replying to the subject matter of this thread as I understand it.

You were the one that chimed in about Charlies this and that. In fact, my initial post was a mere pisstake about putting your foot down when traffic lights change to orange. It was a joke. You misinterpreted that as having a go at Cypriot drivers when I wasn't.

In fact, I don't particularly care about the standard of Cypriot drivers. But they are not as considerate or respectful as elsewhere and that makes them bad drivers in my book.

[Paphitis]

I’ve got a couple of questions about the above Kikapu!

Why would the cops want to arrest you or anyone else badly unless you are already known to them?

If you are about to be arrested, I agree that your best option is to say nothing. That may aggravate them further but you are going to be arrested anyway for whatever it is they are going to arrest with with.

What they don’t do is arrest you for no reason or anything like that. They need something to arrest you with.

About the video. The guy who made it doesn’t like the police. He is a commentator about social topics and politics usually involving racial issues. I have watched a number of his videos and he isn’t pro police but does make comment on race issues, and also about extreme left or social politics, the me too movement and gender politics among other things. That is his angle. He is a culture war commentator.

Now have you ever been involved in police violating your rights?

When getting pulled over, I think it is smart to answer their questions and to be polite. It’s pretty stupid invoking your 5th when all they are stopping you for is for a traffic violation or a routine check. It probably would aggravate them too. Why would you invoke the 5th whether it’s your right or not over a stupid traffic infringement which only involves a fine?

Where you would invoke the 5 is if you robbed a Bank or when you are alleged to have broken other laws like let’s say you assaulted someone, or some other fairly serious criminal charge. The reason for that is because by opening your mouth in this emotional state could put yourself in a worse situation. You should be speaking to a lawyer before you speak to them or answer any of their questions. That is your right. They can’t do anything about it either. They can’t add other charges because they need evidence to charge you. You have this right in Australia too, the only difference is that the USA has enshrined these rights in the Bill of Rights within the US Constitution which in my opinion is awesome.

They could lie yes but usually they get found out and when that happens the shit hits the fan. There are so many organisations that have the power to investigate them and they are not above the law. In Australia we have the Police Ombudsman who will investigate any claims of wrongdoing.

I have an example. My dad was once in an altercation with 2 police officers many years ago whilst they were off duty. The 2 police officers were involved in a traffic accident and one of them died. The next day they tried framing my dad with assault, manslaughter and all kinds of things because one of their mates was in a morgue. It didn’t fly, and in the end they got into a lot of trouble. There was even an inquiry against them for racist behaviour.

That’s the only anecdotal evidence I have that supports your claim. I remember being followed to school whenever the police saw me. This was a small country town, the police were racist and this was in the seventies. It was very surreal, like Mississippi Burning. I grew up in a very conservative redneck country area. There were only 2 Greek Families and 2 Italian Families and we were not liked by the police.

Never experienced any police stuff since then though. And never really been in trouble with them despite maybe a couple of traffic violations when I was young. I do recall having fear issues of the police. I didn’t like them or trust them. In fact I had a phobia of them because of these traumatic experiences with them when I was young.

Have I seen them try to frame me since? No they haven’t. Have I seen them violate other people for no reason? No I have not.

In the USA you have your rights but it’s a bit silly upholding the 5th when all they want to do is see your ID, ask you for a breath analysis, or issue you with a speeding ticket. That would be aggravating to them and they probably would give you a hard time for being an idiotic wanker. If you answer their questions and are generally polite, you could even be let of with a verbal warning about your traffic infringement which they don’t have to do.

Sorry but that’s not violating your HR.

Paphitis,

It is not about the Cops in the USA violating mine or others Human Rights. They would have a hard time in doing that, as much as they would love to. I'm sure as the case would be to almost all police forces around the world. It is to do with violating peoples civil rights and the protection we have under the US constitution, which these officers take an oath to protect these individual rights, but somewhere along the way, most cops use their given powers by the people to act in an expedient way in dealing with the public, which results in violating those individual rights if left unchallenged.

Most people do not know their rights, so the cops walk all over them. It is not a case of "if you have nothing to hide it is ok to answer cops questions", because cops are only interested to find as much information on you as possible, which may direct them to something more about that individual than the initial traffic stop or initial reasons to ask questions. It is always a bad idea to give cops anymore information than you are legally required. They do not like it when you use your rights, because they want to control the situation. But if you know your rights and you refuse to give information you are legally not obliged to or have your vehicle, home or person searched, yes, that will piss off the police and they try to intimidate and bully you, but as long as you have the law on your side, they can't do shit, because the only reason it prevents the cops from abusing their powers, is the law that puts them in check, which is why it is always important to video all your contact with the police.

Some cops are so use to abusing their powers, they can't help themselves and try to do so even when recorded. Some arrogance and disdain they show to individual rights and the constitution. They don't care if they get reported or even fired, as they get another job in the next town or county. This is why they have become "legal gangs" vs. the neighbourhood gangs. The only thing separates them is the badge and the uniform. I know there are some good cops, but overall, they all eventually become bad cops, and if any of them violates anyone's civil rights and the constitution, let alone the oath they have taken to protect the constitution and the civil rights of the citizens, then that qualify them as being bad cops......period.

Yes I agree, you should only answer the questions posed to you and with a simple yes or no. Not a good idea volunteering more than that.

But you should answer questions when you are pulled over for a minor traffic incident or offence. And we should always be polite. They can if they want, let you off. I have been let off on a few myself. It won't happen if you are not cooperating with them.

As for them pulling over your car to search it. Wewll its never happened to me. Has it happened to you. My understanding is that this is something they only do if they are suspicious of something, or have information about you.

If it happened to me, I would probably not let them look through my car without a warrant to do so. That is my right. They can't search your car or house without a warrant from a judge. So I will not entertain this kind of nonsense at all.

Once I got pulled over by a police officer for a breath analysis and there was a TV crew there, and I said I won't be providing any sample until that camera is out of my face and switched off. I was threatened, but the reality is, what can they charge me with? For refusing to provide a breath sample because there was a camera in my face and felt my privacy was being violated?
Good luck with that one coppers and prosecutors when that goes to court.

The police department would have got a bollocking if they charged me and that went to court.

paphitis never wastes an opportunity to rub their noses in the shit when the opportunity presents itself.

As to the rest of it. There are some cops out there on a power trip. But they are usually the easiest cops to deal with as well, because they are on a power trip and are super unintelligent.

[Pyrpolizer]

I was replying to the subject matter of this thread as I understand it.

You were the one that chimed in about Charlies this and that. In fact, my initial post was a mere pisstake about putting your foot down when traffic lights change to orange. It was a joke. You misinterpreted that as having a go at Cypriot drivers when I wasn't.

In fact, I don't particularly care about the standard of Cypriot drivers. But they are not as considerate or respectful as elsewhere and that makes them bad drivers in my book.

I am sure you know very well that when you want to reply to the subject matter you just press the "Post reply" button at the bottom of the page.
However when you want to reply to the contents of a specific post and in that sense to any of the respondents you press the "quote and reply" button.
You are just playing dumb to excuse yourself from not understanding what Australia badacock was referring to from within your own post.

In case you still have difficulties in understanding, it was referring to this:

I have an example. My dad was once in an altercation with 2 police officers many years ago whilst they were off duty. The 2 police officers were involved in a traffic accident and one of them died. The next day they tried framing my dad with assault, manslaughter and all kinds of things because one of their mates was in a morgue. It didn’t fly, and in the end they got into a lot of trouble. There was even an inquiry against them for racist behaviour.

That’s the only anecdotal evidence I have that supports your claim. I remember being followed to school whenever the police saw me. This was a small country town, the police were racist and this was in the seventies. It was very surreal, like Mississippi Burning. I grew up in a very conservative redneck country area. There were only 2 Greek Families and 2 Italian Families and we were not liked by the police.

[Paphitis]

I was replying to the subject matter of this thread as I understand it.

You were the one that chimed in about Charlies this and that. In fact, my initial post was a mere pisstake about putting your foot down when traffic lights change to orange. It was a joke. You misinterpreted that as having a go at Cypriot drivers when I wasn't.

In fact, I don't particularly care about the standard of Cypriot drivers. But they are not as considerate or respectful as elsewhere and that makes them bad drivers in my book.

I am sure you know very well that when you want to reply to the subject matter you just press the "Post reply" button at the bottom of the page.
However when you want to reply to the contents of a specific post and in that sense to any of the respondents you press the "quote and reply" button.
You are just playing dumb to excuse yourself from not understanding what Australia badacock was referring to from within your own post.

In case you still have difficulties in understanding, it was referring to this:

I have an example. My dad was once in an altercation with 2 police officers many years ago whilst they were off duty. The 2 police officers were involved in a traffic accident and one of them died. The next day they tried framing my dad with assault, manslaughter and all kinds of things because one of their mates was in a morgue. It didn’t fly, and in the end they got into a lot of trouble. There was even an inquiry against them for racist behaviour.

That’s the only anecdotal evidence I have that supports your claim. I remember being followed to school whenever the police saw me. This was a small country town, the police were racist and this was in the seventies. It was very surreal, like Mississippi Burning. I grew up in a very conservative redneck country area. There were only 2 Greek Families and 2 Italian Families and we were not liked by the police.

I must be simple, but I still don't get what you are on about. And I am not pretending that I don't get it.

[repulsewarrior]

Driver going at 256 kms on highway also posts video while breaking speed limit

https://in-cyprus.philenews.com/news/lo ... -doing-so/

...proving the point, Media offers all of us fifteen minutes of fame; choose wisely.