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[Paphitis]

The thing that is mesmerizing about Trump is this.

he is bucking the global trend and going his own way. his approach is refreshing.

We have all seen the results of globalism and Free Trade in the West. All it means is that our market is inundated with cheap Chinese crap.

What we want are jobs and job security in the West. We don't want to see our corporate icons setting up sweat shops in China.

We have had enough of all the old establishment policies. not to mention the fact that the looney regressive left is just out of control here in Australia and the USA. People are entitled to their opinions, and can be as left as they like, but the problem is that the regressive left do not seem to agree with that and have a more totalitarian and a less tolerant stance which is increasingly more militant against our institutions, organized religion, and they keep harping on about some stupid and weird things.

[Paphitis]

Come to think of it, the only solution is to introduce compulsory military service for everyone. I will support this in Australia.

just so that each one of our kids goes in there, and has their attitude re-adjusted.

Man I remember going through the gates of HMAS Creswell and I nearly fucking peed my pants. We were thinking we were going on an adventure, but reality hit us from the very first minute where they were abusing us like vermon, and spoilt little brats that they thought we were. It was too late. Couldn't walk out. We were imprisoned without TV, phones or contact from the outside world. Couldn't even speak to parents and the only contact they had was through an ADF Welfare Officer they can contact to see if we were alright.

But looking back at it, it was brutal and systematic but also necessary.

A good beat up never hurt anyone. And it is just the reality check our young people need.

Don't ever abolish this in Cyprus. The youth need this mental tune up.

[boomerang]

the only beneficiary in the free trade agreement was and still is china...



what enabled china to capture world manufacturing is business hijacking government policy...where the shareholders have a larger say in government policy...

china manufacturing has brought us cheap products and higher products but on the downside has also brought us a disposable market...

ever wonder why the life cycle of fridges, TVs and a lot more do not last as they used, say 20 years ago?...ever wonder as to why you do not see NEC, Mitsubishi and more companies on the shelves any more?...because quality costs a lot more...

[Paphitis]

I agree with everything above.

Free Trade is basically there for the corporates and their share holders. And whilst I am a share holder myself in some corporate businesses in Australia and USA, I benefit from their ability to set up their factories in China and take advantage of cheap labour. Profits are maximized and share prices go up. Hooray right? This is why I am not against the corporates. I want them to succeed because their success is also my success. But we need some balance as well, to protect our jobs market and local manufacturing sectors.

We also end up with cheap products on the market. Cheap disposable products with less quality control. So the consumer benefits.

The person who doesn't benefit are our own workers. We are exporting jobs to China.

Free Trade is only advantageous to China, the Corporates that use China, and the consumer. But if the consumers have less jobs, their ability to consume is impacted too.

Trump is the only world leader that is talking in this way. People are calling him stupid. But is he really? Or is he blowing the lid on this charade?

I for one think he is sending very important messages. And he isn't stupid is far as I am concerned. He is unique and different yes, but not stupid. I always like listening to the little black sheep going against the flow. because often, it is the black sheep that is the one to not get caught up in the hysteria and hype, and it is the black sheep that offers something from left field rather than more of the same.

The only people that are calling him stupid are the stupid as all hell regressive leftists and virtue signallers.

[boomerang]

that's because we became service economies...the easy life...going back to manufacturing we will require a labour force...something we do not have today so we need to increase migration to take care of jobs we no longer want to do...

[Pyrpolizer]

The OECD published economic growth rate and it was this that was being discussed by Australia's Treasurer. He was basically bragging about Australia's 2.8% growth rate saying it was the second highest in the OECD. He said Australia had just been toppled by another country.

You do not know what effect Trump's policies are having on the GDP. All we can see is that since Trump has been in office, US GDP growth has accelerated at a good rate. Therefore, his policies seem to be working.

Accelerated?? How? Show me evidence that the US GDP growth has accelerated. The truth is that from 2010 it's increasing at an almost constant rate (3.8% on the average)

Also, the rate of unemployment has been decreasing in most countries after the GFC. That is what usually happens after a global Financial Crisis and Collapse. But don't tell me that Obama is responsible for all this growth because that is false. Obama was a globalist, and whilst this does encourage growth, it also is a burden on US employment and the USA had much higher unemployment in 2008. Most countries did.

The issue here is Trump's approach. His policies are different. He is a protectionist. He is one of very few going down that path. He is declaring war on Free Trade if it affects and destroys US industry and manufacturing and he is threatening US Companies with tariffs for products that are manufactured overseas. He is also threatening tariffs on imports.

he is also not signing the Paris Agreement or the UN Compact on migration. He is almost on the verge of telling the UN where to go.

We will all see soon enough who has the best approach. So far, the indications are that Trump is onto something big.

Trump imo is going backwards decades ago when every country was imposing tariffs to protect their own production.
Therefore other than been demagogic, he is actually proposing nothing new.
Considering all his tariffs have so far been retaliated I don't think he will achieve anything.

[Pyrpolizer]

I am not aware about any tariffs against EU, Canada, and Mexico. This doesn't sound like Trump at all.

I forgot to answer this point.
This article explains the major details. Doesn’t sound like Trump you said?

https://www.vox.com/2018/6/20/17485374/ ... port-taxes

I know the details.

Trump has whacked tariffs on meat imports from the EU, Canada, and Mexico.

I don't see a problem with that. The whole purpose of this is to ensure that imported meat from the EU, Canada and Mexico isn't cheaper and more competitive than US Meat on the US Market, so that US farmers can sell their product and thrive.

That is the whole purpose of tariffs.

Reh Paphiti, after I served it to you ready on the plate of what kind of tariffs Trump imposed on the EU Canada and Mexico, you come back telling me he imposed tariffs on meat??? Na mate, it's the EU in retaliation who imposed tariffs on American beef, not the other way round... Trump imposed 25% on steel and 10% in aluminum products

Trump knows very well that the EU, Canada and Mexico could do the same and they have the right to do so. It isn't personal, or a "war" or anything like that. It is just a protectionist fiscal policy. This is what Trump promised before being elected and now he is implementing.

Having said that, it doesn't stop the EU, Canada, or Mexico from cutting a deal. Australia, somehow is immune because of the AUS/USA FTA.

[Pyrpolizer]

that's because we became service economies...the easy life...going back to manufacturing we will require a labour force...something we do not have today so we need to increase migration to take care of jobs we no longer want to do...

I agree boomers.
The other issue is global injustice. Is the Chinese guy less clever, and less willing to work than the average American?
Then why is he getting paid 1 dollar per hour compared to 30 of the average American for exactly the same job? Is it because his productivity is really 30 times less??
No, it's because it was an agrarian population now getting industrialized. They need time to catch up, and when they will, they will no longer be a problem, because their salaries will increase, their cost of living too, so they will have to compete on equal terms.

Just like what happened with Japan 50 years ago. I remember their first cars were so cheap and junk, mostly equipped with 2 stroke motorcycle engines. Slowly slowly they advanced and now their cost of living is equal to that of the west. No more slave salaries for them, no more cheap production

Exactly the same thing is currently happening in the EU with all those eastern countries that joined. We got flooded with cheap labor lost our jobs etc etc. This generation is paying the price until things get normalized.

[repulsewarrior]

...if you really want to get a glimpse of Trump's opportunistic ways, Paphitis, never mind guessing, take a look at Canadian-American issues.

Huawei, do you know the firm? Curious, do they sell their products in Australia? And are you aware that the founder's daughter has been arrested?

...you should for many reasons. This is the good friend to Australia, Mr. Trump doing what he does best to friends.

...and while you talk of trade between the US and Canada, mention cars, because that is where most of the trade exists, mention steel tariffs because it is putting Americans, as well as Canadians out of work, mention cheese, and soft wood, it's not the farmers, or the lumberjacks that Trump is working for...

...indeed it is possible that he will be so great as a President, his head is carved into Mount Rushmore, how he shakes things up; i am hopeful, too.

But, at this point i wonder what stink he brought into the White House, clearing the swamp, what that means. Is Trump a fart, way worse than others?

[Paphitis]

...if you really want to get a glimpse of Trump's opportunistic ways, Paphitis, never mind guessing, take a look at Canadian-American issues.

Huawei, do you know the firm? Curious, do they sell their products in Australia? And are you aware that the founder's daughter has been arrested?

...you should for many reasons. This is the good friend to Australia, Mr. Trump doing what he does best to friends.

...and while you talk of trade between the US and Canada, mention cars, because that is where most of the trade exists, mention steel tariffs because it is putting Americans, as well as Canadians out of work, mention cheese, and soft wood, it's not the farmers, or the lumberjacks that Trump is working for...

...indeed it is possible that he will be so great as a President, his head is carved into Mount Rushmore, how he shakes things up; i am hopeful, too.

But, at this point i wonder what stink he brought into the White House, clearing the swamp, what that means. Is Trump a fart, way worse than others?

Yes I have seen their products. I caught an Uber and the Chinese driver had one. It looked exactly like an Apple.

Which is why the Canadians made the arrest. There is an American warrant for the arrest of Huawei executives for breach against American patents.

I think Huawei are illegal in Australia as well now. Australia would not allow these products in if their are US patent violations. In fact, Australia would arrest the executives as well and extradite to the USA as we have agreements with them.

Tarrifs on steel is not putting Americans out of work. It is protecting the US Steel industry. Again, Australian steel is immune.