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[Paphitis]

Everything is made in China, even your Apple IPhone and IPad are made in China. The Microsoft Chip in your computer, also made in China. All American products that are sold to us at a massive mark up but manufactured at a much lower cost inChina, hence huge profits for the big corporates.

You are actually overgeneneralizing.
You make it look as if the whole Apple company shifted their factory from the US to China.
That’s not even close to reality.
Nearly 100% of all the American hi-tec is designed and developed in the US itself.
What is done in China, India, etc is the testing and assembly of parts manufactred either in the US or other hi tec countries like Korea, Japan, Europe etc. Some hi tec parts are also made in China from totally independent factories. Yes don’t underestimate the Chinese they do have their own hi tec factories as well.
The Chinese even started making extremely hitec mobile phones, that almost wiped off the Samsungs from the market (don’t know how they affected the Iphones though). My wife just bought the Huwaei P20 Lite, the damn thing has an 8-core processor, 73GB storage, and it looks faster than a desktop computer in roaming the net or opening files.

Let’s take another 2 examples of hi-tec products
a)Computer Memory: did you know that there are only 3 true RAM (memory) manufacturers in the whole world and all 3 are actually manufacturing in the US? The remaining 100s all over the world are in reality assemblers of memory modules who stick their brand name on.
b)Computer processors. I think there are 4, the major ones being Intel and AMD.
75% of everything including design/reasearch/development AND manufacturing of Intel is actually made in the US.

Just like this article says:

The question is NOT should we, but CAN we get our manufacturing jobs back?

I only use Apple as an example of just one company among many hundreds and thousands of companies because Apple is well known and most of use use their products as we all either have an Apple IPhone or IPad or even both.

I also use Microsoft as we all use these products too.

There are thousands more companies.

Even all our call centres for all our utilities. That's right, if you call your telco, electricity comoany, or water company, you are answered in either China, Philippines, or India.

I am not over generalizing. What I am saying is occuring.

[Paphitis]

Nearly 100% of all the American hi-tec is designed and developed in the US itself.

Digital component inventors/designers such as Intel hold PATENTS of what they’ve invented/designed such as the Intel family of processors, but they are usually manufactured under license in China or Malaysia to take advantage of cheaper labour.

So what counts are the patents and the blueprints which entitle the inventor to royalties but manufacturing can take place in any country that has the facilities and license and there are many these days... Singapore being another.

https://c.76.my/Malaysia/amd-athlon-ii- ... [email protected]

I am not saying these are not American designed and invented products. And the Americans do have the patents.

But Microsoft, are as you say producing their Intel Chips in China, to take advantage of Chinese cheap labour. They of course are not the only company to do this. Thousands more do this from the huge giants like Apple and Microsoft to the small company. China benefits from all this investment and the West loses because we export all these jobs to them. It's ok if their are lots of other jobs, but in a downturn it isn't good when their is high unemployment and we see our own companies go to China and do this.

Again, Apple and Microsoft are just 2 well known examples of so many, which we all know because we all have and use these products.

[Paphitis]

Nearly 100% of all the American hi-tec is designed and developed in the US itself.

Digital component inventors/designers such as Intel hold PATENTS of what they’ve invented/designed such as the Intel family of processors, but they are usually manufactured under license in China or Malaysia to take advantage of cheaper labour.

So what counts are the patents and the blueprints which entitle the inventor to royalties but manufacturing can take place in any country that has the facilities and license and there are many these days... Singapore being another.

Says who? You??
Manufacturing and assembling are 2 different things

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_I ... ring_sites

Approximately 75% of Intel's semiconductor fabrication is performed in the USA

It doesn't matter. Some companies manufacture and others just assemble. They do this to take advantage of cheap labour.

The manufacturing can occur in the USA. The assembly can also occur in the USA. Apple charge a premium for their great products and they will still make a massive profit.

Trump is right to be threatening these companies with tariffs. The so called trade war isn't just against China. It is also against these American businesses that are taking the piss and abusing the system.

I wish we had an Australian PM just like Trump but alas. All we have is a bunch of traitors. It's only a matter of time before we have our Trump.

All we need is for someone to stand up and say all the politically incorrect stuff, and use rhetoric similar to trump and Australians will vote for that in their millions to the absolute disgust of the boisterous "liberal" and regressive left. The market is crying out for it, so it is only a matter of time before a new Trump like retail anti politician is born.

[Get Real!]

Just shut up.... you're giving us a headache.

Is there anyone who doesn't give your disoriented multiples a headache??

The only one disoriented here is YOU because you’re a UNEDUCATED IDIOT who thinks he’s got it all figured out and has the audacity to be condescending towards a qualified electronics engineer. Such is your stupidity!

Only wafers are mostly made in the US along with Japan… not ICs.

https://duckduckgo.com/?q=silicon+wafer ... &ia=images

But they’re only part of processor manufacture (the foundation)… it’s the same story as with yellowcake which is needed to make nuclear weapons. Japan produces the most but several other countries buy it from them to make nukes.

Reading bad articles or misinterpreting good ones is what you seem to specialize in.

Now fuck off!

[Pyrpolizer]

Just shut up.... you're giving us a headache.

Is there anyone who doesn't give your disoriented multiples a headache??

The only one disoriented here is YOU because you’re a UNEDUCATED IDIOT who thinks he’s got it all figured out and has the audacity to be condescending towards a qualified electronics engineer. Such is your stupidity!

Only wafers are mostly made in the US along with Japan… not ICs.

https://duckduckgo.com/?q=silicon+wafer ... &ia=images

But they’re only part of processor manufacture (the foundation)… it’s the same story as with yellowcake which is needed to make nuclear weapons. Japan produces the most but several other countries buy it from them to make nukes.

Reading bad articles or misinterpreting good ones is what you seem to specialize in.

Now fuck off!

Listen fucked up in the brain wafer,

Instead of posting me images of wafers, you better post me an article proving me wrong.
I already gave you 2 links proving you have no clue of what you are talking about.

[Pyrpolizer]

Paphitis,

Trump has imposed tariffs not only against China, but also against the EU, Canada, and Mexico. He did not impose tariffs on e.g. India, Malaysia, Taiwan, just to name a few that presumably steal jobs from the Americans. All these tariffs are going to cost each of those Countries certain billion.
However as you may well know ALL of those "sanctions" have already been retaliated on the same level..
Clearly the net result is zero.

There’s absolutely no indication that the decrease in unemployment rate and increase in GDP in the US is a result of whatever Trump’s tariffs. All statistics show the improvements started from 2010 (long before Trump took over) and keep on going at the same rate.

What is certain though is that the gap between the real Median Household income and Real GDP per Capita in the US keeps on increasing, while the former keeps on almost steady from 1999 to date.

NB. Press the 10Y button to view historical data on the first 2 charts.

[Paphitis]

Paphitis,

Trump has imposed tariffs not only against China, but also against the EU, Canada, and Mexico. He did not impose tariffs on e.g. India, Malaysia, Taiwan, just to name a few that presumably steal jobs from the Americans. All these tariffs are going to cost each of those Countries certain billion.
However as you may well know ALL of those "sanctions" have already been retaliated on the same level..
Clearly the net result is zero.

There’s absolutely no indication that the decrease in unemployment rate and increase in GDP in the US is a result of whatever Trump’s tariffs. All statistics show the improvements started from 2010 (long before Trump took over) and keep on going at the same rate.

What is certain though is that the gap between the real Median Household income and Real GDP per Capita in the US keeps on increasing, while the former keeps on almost steady from 1999 to date.

NB. Press the 10Y button to view historical data on the first 2 charts.

I am not aware about any tariffs against EU, Canada, and Mexico. This doesn't sound like Trump at all. I think you mean meat tariffs. He is trying to protect his own meat industry and farmers. nothing personal against anyone.

Australia is exempt of any tariffs. So maybe the EU, Canada, and Mexico need to negotiate with the Americans.

I actually wish we had someone similar to trump in Australia.

What improvements are you on about? When I was listening to a speech by Australia's Treasurer, about Australia's latest economic data, he said that Australia has been deposed from the very top of the OECD economies for the first time since I can't remember when. A journalist asked him which country is now at the top. I was literally expecting someone like Finland, Austria, Switzerland, Norway or Denmark. The USA or Britain is usually way back. He answered that it was in fact the USA that is at the top now, with Australia now second. I was left with my own surprise.

In 2010, everyone was on the rebound because in 2008, everyone crashed with a GFC. But this isn't just a rebound we are looking at here. The USA is actually in a boom. And this boom is post Trump.

[Get Real!]

Listen fucked up in the brain wafer,

Instead of posting me images of wafers, you better post me an article proving me wrong.
I already gave you 2 links proving you have no clue of what you are talking about.

Hey Bozo, “semiconductor fabrication” refers to the manufacture of wafers that are used in all ICs, not just processors…

https://www.google.com/search?q=semicon ... D5EQ_AUIBQ

Up until yesterday, the only "wafer" you had ever heard of was a crusty biscuit that comes in strawberry and vanilla flavors… so quit trying to be clever!

IDIOT!

[Pyrpolizer]

Paphitis,

Trump has imposed tariffs not only against China, but also against the EU, Canada, and Mexico. He did not impose tariffs on e.g. India, Malaysia, Taiwan, just to name a few that presumably steal jobs from the Americans. All these tariffs are going to cost each of those Countries certain billion.
However as you may well know ALL of those "sanctions" have already been retaliated on the same level..
Clearly the net result is zero.

There’s absolutely no indication that the decrease in unemployment rate and increase in GDP in the US is a result of whatever Trump’s tariffs. All statistics show the improvements started from 2010 (long before Trump took over) and keep on going at the same rate.

What is certain though is that the gap between the real Median Household income and Real GDP per Capita in the US keeps on increasing, while the former keeps on almost steady from 1999 to date.

NB. Press the 10Y button to view historical data on the first 2 charts.

I am not aware about any tariffs against EU, Canada, and Mexico. This doesn't sound like Trump at all. I think you mean meat tariffs. He is trying to protect his own meat industry and farmers. nothing personal against anyone.

Australia is exempt of any tariffs. So maybe the EU, Canada, and Mexico need to negotiate with the Americans.

I actually wish we had someone similar to trump in Australia.

What improvements are you on about?
Did you read the links I gave you???
When I was listening to a speech by Australia's Treasurer, about Australia's latest economic data, he said that Australia has been deposed from the very top of the OECD economies for the first time since I can't remember when. A journalist asked him which country is now at the top. I was literally expecting someone like Finland, Austria, Switzerland, Norway or Denmark. The USA or Britain is usually way back. He answered that it was in fact the USA that is at the top now, with Australia now second. I was left with my own surprise.

In 2010, everyone was on the rebound because in 2008, everyone crashed with a GFC. But this isn't just a rebound we are looking at here. The USA is actually in a boom. And this boom is post Trump.

[Pyrpolizer]

Listen fucked up in the brain wafer,

Instead of posting me images of wafers, you better post me an article proving me wrong.
I already gave you 2 links proving you have no clue of what you are talking about.

Hey Bozo, “semiconductor fabrication” refers to the manufacture of wafers that are used in all ICs, not just processors…

https://www.google.com/search?q=semicon ... D5EQ_AUIBQ

Up until yesterday, the only "wafer" you had ever heard of was a crusty biscuit that comes in strawberry and vanilla flavors… so quit trying to be clever!

IDIOT!

For the last time read and learn the process of semiconductor fabrication which by 75% is done by Intel in the USA.

It is a multiple-step sequence of photo lithographic and chemical processing steps during which electronic circuits are gradually created on a wafer made of pure semiconducting material. Silicon is almost always used, but various compound semiconductors are used for specialized applications.

The entire manufacturing process, from start to packaged chips ready for shipment, takes six to eight weeks and is performed in highly specialized facilities referred to as foundries or fabs.[1] In more advanced semiconductor devices, such as modern 14/10/7 nm nodes, fabrication can take up to 15 weeks with 11–13 weeks being the industry average