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Re: Turkish Cypriots

Postby sadik » Tue Jan 17, 2006 10:39 pm

Sotos wrote:I read some articles that Greek and Turkish Cypriots have similar DNA. I also heard that Turkish Cypriots were Greek Cypriots that became Muslims when Cyprus was part of the Ottoman empire. Are Turkish Cypriots really Turkish?


I don't think there is anything strange about some Turkish Cypriots actually being Greek Cypriots who converted to Islam. If members of any kind of society trace their origins, they will find a large number of people originating somewhere else.

What we call Greek or Turkish is not a race. To be Greek or Turkish, you don't need to be from a specific race, from a specific religion or even speak the Greek and Turkish languages. There are examples for each of these cases. What we say Greek or Turkish or whatever is how people identify themselves and weather or not their identification is accepted by the rest.

Please also don't forget that history does not start and end with Greeks and Turks. There are thousand years of history in Anatolia and Cyprus even before greeks. And there are 10s of thousands of years of human (homo sapiens) existence in the region. All this time people moved around and mixed. There were large civilization even before Greeks and Turks in the region.

Greek and Turkish empires were just like all the other empires, big forces of assimilation. They absorbed a large number tribes, cultures, etc. Ottomans in turn absorbed most of the Byzantine Empire as well. In some places they were later absorbed back into the Greek society. Since Turks did not fall from the sky, similar things happened in Cyprus as well. And not only Greek Cypriots and Turkish Cypriots look very similar, Cypriots in general and the people of Anatolia are also very similar in looks and genetics.

However, us begin genetically similar does not mean anything. For example, in Bosnia there is no question that Bosnians and Croatians and Serbians are all the same people with different religions. They even speak the same language. But that did not stop them from slaughtering each other. It will not stop us in Cyprus either. If we looked differently or were genetically different, it would not mean anything either.

If we really want it, we can find many differences that will divide us. If not the religion it might be the language, if not the language it might be our political views, if not that the teams that we support. And if we really want to live together, we can live together with all our differences.
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Postby cypezokyli » Tue Jan 17, 2006 11:34 pm

sadik wrote:
If we really want it, we can find many differences that will divide us. If not the religion it might be the language, if not the language it might be our political views, if not that the teams that we support. And if we really want to live together, we can live together with all our differences.


how can say it otherwise : i agree 200%

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To be honest cypezokyli from what we hear theres a lot of that going on as we speak. Wink

in greek we say : from your mouth to gods ear - meaning, i really hope that you are right.
all the best to these couples, whereever they are. may the godess aphrodite - astarti - venus guide you, and may eros strike with accuracy :angel: :angel: :angel:
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Postby Piratis » Tue Jan 17, 2006 11:47 pm

If we really want it, we can find many differences that will divide us. If not the religion it might be the language, if not the language it might be our political views, if not that the teams that we support. And if we really want to live together, we can live together with all our differences.

I agree 300% ;)

The next question is: why would anybody want to find differences in order to create/maintain conflict.

The answer is: because he has something to gain from this conflict/separation.

So since both unity and division are possibilities depending on what we want, then who in Cyprus doesn't want unity because he can gain from separation?

And how can this problem be solved?

2 ways:

1) Praying hoping that the one that has to gain from separation will define all laws of nature (greediness etc) and accept not to gain.

2) a)Make sure that the one who tried to gain from separation will gain nothing and b) Making unity more "profitable" for him.

(and the ones that have to gain from separation are many, in Cyprus and abroad)
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Postby elko » Tue Jan 17, 2006 11:59 pm

My understanding is that the genes of Greek Cypriots and Turkish Cypriots resemble each other more than the genes of Greek Cypriots and Greeks. The same goes for Turks and Turkish Cypriots. I would also hazard a guess that the genes of Greeks and Turks are far more similar. Where does that take us?
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Postby Piratis » Wed Jan 18, 2006 1:07 am

I would also hazard a guess that the genes of Greeks and Turks are far more similar.

Far more similar compared to whom? Obviously it will be more similar compared to lets say Iceland.
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Postby Viewpoint » Wed Jan 18, 2006 12:58 pm

cypezokyli wrote:vp wrote:
To be honest cypezokyli from what we hear theres a lot of that going on as we speak. Wink

in greek we say : from your mouth to gods ear - meaning, i really hope that you are right.
all the best to these couples, whereever they are. may the godess aphrodite - astarti - venus guide you, and may eros strike with accuracy :angel: :angel: :angel:


Im not stating this in the love and marriage sense because that will always be limited but the 2 communites are active sexually, I know of at least 2 people having sex with someone from the south, but thats all they see it a bit of fun nothing more. (They may even be married) :wink:
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Postby Oracle » Tue Mar 10, 2009 10:09 pm

Shall we continue this old thread?

We seem to be continually obsessed with genes.

Can we move on, and accept that the answer to the Cyprus problem is not in our genes? :D

The answer is in our memes! :wink:
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Postby YFred » Tue Mar 10, 2009 10:11 pm

Oracle wrote:Shall we continue this old thread?

We seem to be continually obsessed with genes.

Can we move on, and accept that the answer to the Cyprus problem is not in our genes? :D

The answer is in our memes! :wink:

Did somebody mention genes, let me google it and I'll be back.
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Postby miltiades » Tue Mar 10, 2009 10:18 pm

I'll have one too straight on the rocks ! Gordons my favourite . :lol:
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Postby YFred » Tue Mar 10, 2009 10:21 pm

miltiades wrote:I'll have one too straight on the rocks ! Gordons my favourite . :lol:

I must admit, your post is funnier than mine. I should have gone for I'll just put my Levis on and come back.
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