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[supporttheunderdog]

This may help

Y-chromosome phylogeographic analysis of the Greek-Cypriot population reveals elements consistent with Neolithic and Bronze Age settlements
https://investigativegenetics.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s13323-016-0032-8

Y-chromosomal analysis of Greek Cypriots reveals a primarily common pre-Ottoman paternal ancestry with Turkish Cypriots
https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0179474

Turkish Cypriot paternal lineages bear an autochthonous character and closest resemblance to those from neighbouring Near Eastern populations
https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/03014460.2016.1207805?scroll=top&needAccess=true

also try to find

"Population genetic data for 15 autosomal STR markers in Turkish Cypriots from Cyprus"
in Forensic Science International: Genetics 14 (2014) e1–e3

In essence the genetics tends to suggest Greek Speaking Cypriots and Turkish Speaking Cypriots are likely mostly descended from a common pool of ancestors who were likely a part of the earliest wave of continuous settlement, but with minor influences in varying degrees from later invaders / conquerors

How much of this DNA resemblance do you think is to do with the fact that the Ottomans were stealing other peoples children to build their nation?

It doesn't matter what the DNA says, because those that were stolen are lost to a different culture, religious and political dimension over centuries gone by.

In essence all, humans are built the same and have a resemblance but what separates them in to 'tribes' is what and how they think....

Did you actually bother to read any of the items mentioned, where one of them at least points to a principal common ancestry at least 1000 years back, which actually predates the takeover of Anatolia by Turkic conquerors, e.g, the Seljuk following the battle of Manzikurt in 1071 then the Ottoman conquest from about 1265, let alone the Ottoman Conquest of Cyprus only 450 years or so ago... quite how the Ottomans could therefore influence Cypriot DNA so long ago is something you should perhaps expand upon.

I would not disagree with your point about

humans are built the same and have a resemblance but what separates them in to 'tribes' is what and how they think....

Ethnicity as defined by e.g. language, religion, culture is a construct - sometimes imposed following conquest events - as indeed happened in Cyprus.

[Maximus]

I did not read it, but I get the gist of it,

The common ancestry..........the links between DNA.

The DNA may well say one thing but there was a fork in the road and different experiences were had along the way. Passed down over many, many generations.

This is why there are so many different cultures, languages, religions and races today.

If you keep going back far enough, we all resemble lizards and or we all came from the same man and women.

This even predates the Greeks. We have a common ancestry.

450 years, is enough time to forget and not know that your great, great, great, great, great, great grandparents were Greek / Cypriot if you think and speak and believe like an Ottoman or a Turk.

[Get Real!]

Sotos, hasn’t returned since having his DNA test… I suppose any reading >1% of Ottoman gene would kill him!

[supporttheunderdog]

I did not read it, but I get the gist of it,

The common ancestry..........the links between DNA.

The DNA may well say one thing but there was a fork in the road and different experiences were had along the way. Passed down over many, many generations.

This is why there are so many different cultures, languages, religions and races today.

If you keep going back far enough, we all resemble lizards and or we all came from the same man and women.

This even predates the Greeks. We have a common ancestry.

450 years, is enough time to forget and not know that your great, great, great, great, great, great grandparents were Greek / Cypriot if you think and speak and believe like an Ottoman or a Turk.

An article highlighting how much is a construct - https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/nov/15/raised-native-american-dna-test-father-lied-heritage

It is not surprising that DNA tests have real risks. It asks the question of who we are head on. This question is far from being settled, but it is one of the essential ones we ask. Much of the history of thought is born out of it. Heraclitus incited everything from philosophy to physics with the idea that no one steps into the same river twice. Everything, he claims, from the river to the person doing the stepping, are subject to change. The ancient thought experiment, the ship of Theseus, asks how we are to understand permanence in objects. Is a ship the same ship if, to fight rot and the other ravages of time, we change one plank, and then another, and then another, until there is nothing of the original ship left? These metaphysical problems about permanence and change hide a methodological problem about how we define what is changing and what is staying the same.

DNA tells us lots of interesting things, but it is not definitive: it can only dig so far back before it starts depending on things other than DNA to make sense of the data. In other words, if DNA goes back far enough, Englishness, for instance, gets lost in the melting pot of its own past, from its colonial empire to its early Brittonic settlers. How do we decide which different groups matter to English identity? Surely not DNA tests, because some notion of identity already has to be in place in order to decide what to look for in genetic markers. Even at its best, DNA only answers a certain type of question about who we are.

Some thinkers argue that this metaphysical question about the sameness of substance is on the wrong path for understanding human identity. One such thinker, Paul Ricoeur, thought that such sameness misses a specific ethical and imaginative aspect of our identity called selfhood. He creates the notion of “narrative identity” in order to move us past the question of who we are as objects towards the question of who we are as agents. This narrative identity is supposed to be formed by the stories that we tell and that others tell about us. It is the unity of these stories that allow us to create a unity in our life. There is something compelling about this. I don’t feel different as a person, and I see part of my story as a continuity. However, there are limits to this notion.

[repulsewarrior]

...interesting.