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[Pyrpolizer]

In short:
the dam at Myrtou is about the size of Kalopanayiotis Dam, that usually gets full after a week's rain as it's one of the smallest we have.
It can be filled up with Ship Tankers.
There has never been any such project carrying water under the sea for such a long distance using such huge (from memory I think the Turks used some sort of plastic type pipes about 1.5m in diameter). The projected actually delivered for only a few days...

What a great feeling it is to be a Turk, hey Mr.

Google Earth doesn't agree with you. Obviously I can't judge the depth of the water from a satellite photo, but in terms of water surface area the Kalopanayiotis Dam has about 40.000 square meters of water, while the Myrtou dam has about 1.000.000 square meters of water, which is comparable to Kourris Dam.

In terms of max capacity Kalopanayiotis Dam can hold up 363,000 m3 or water and Kourris 115,000,000 m3 while according to this wikipedia article the capacity of Myrtou Dam is now at 35,000,000 m3 (used to be 1,800,000 m3 before upgrade for the pipeline project).

But according to https://www.data.gov.cy/ currently Kourris is just 10.9% filled (less than 13,000,000 m3) so the Myrtou Dam could even have more water.

Before the upgrade it was not even a dam worth of listing.
http://www.moa.gov.cy/moa/wdd/wdd.nsf/A ... enDocument

I doubt it was even bigger than the small Lefka dam (cap 368K m3) , let aside bigger than the well known biggest dam in the occupied at Kionelli (cap 1045K m3)

Now if you want to believe the nonsense everyone writes in wiki that's entirely your choice.
Let aside that the numbers in wiki point to an increase in capacity by more than 1000 times!!
No way...

[Pyrpolizer]

In short:
the dam at Myrtou is about the size of Kalopanayiotis Dam, that usually gets full after a week's rain as it's one of the smallest we have.
It can be filled up with Ship Tankers.
There has never been any such project carrying water under the sea for such a long distance using such huge (from memory I think the Turks used some sort of plastic type pipes about 1.5m in diameter). The projected actually delivered for only a few days...

What a great feeling it is to be a Turk, hey Mr.

Long time no hear Pyrpolizer. I don't remember ever saying "What a great feeling it is to be a Turk". I have always said I'm a Turkish speaking Cypriot so I'm not sure why you're directing this at me. Nice to see yo back btw

Hello,
I was actually referring to the way you were praising the Turks referring to us in a derogatory manner as "Greeks" in your reply to Kiks.

NB. It was a translation from "ne mutlu Turkum diyene" written under the flag on the mountain-if I remember that correctly

[Sotos]

In short:
the dam at Myrtou is about the size of Kalopanayiotis Dam, that usually gets full after a week's rain as it's one of the smallest we have.
It can be filled up with Ship Tankers.
There has never been any such project carrying water under the sea for such a long distance using such huge (from memory I think the Turks used some sort of plastic type pipes about 1.5m in diameter). The projected actually delivered for only a few days...

What a great feeling it is to be a Turk, hey Mr.

Google Earth doesn't agree with you. Obviously I can't judge the depth of the water from a satellite photo, but in terms of water surface area the Kalopanayiotis Dam has about 40.000 square meters of water, while the Myrtou dam has about 1.000.000 square meters of water, which is comparable to Kourris Dam.

In terms of max capacity Kalopanayiotis Dam can hold up 363,000 m3 or water and Kourris 115,000,000 m3 while according to this wikipedia article the capacity of Myrtou Dam is now at 35,000,000 m3 (used to be 1,800,000 m3 before upgrade for the pipeline project).

But according to https://www.data.gov.cy/ currently Kourris is just 10.9% filled (less than 13,000,000 m3) so the Myrtou Dam could even have more water.

Before the upgrade it was not even a dam worth of listing.
http://www.moa.gov.cy/moa/wdd/wdd.nsf/A ... enDocument

I doubt it was even bigger than the small Lefka dam (cap 368K m3) , let aside bigger than the well known biggest dam in the occupied at Kionelli (cap 1045K m3)

Now if you want to believe the nonsense everyone writes in wiki that's entirely your choice.
Let aside that the numbers in wiki point to an increase in capacity by more than 1000 times!!
No way...

The numbers at the wiki show an increase in capacity of less than 20 times, not 1000 (from 1.8 million to 35 million). And while everyone can write on a wiki, not everyone can fake the satellite images that Google shows. You can clearly see the difference between the 2013 image and the 2018 image I posted earlier.

Here is a satellite photo of the 3 dams as seen from an altitude of 6191m.

Kalopanayitis (barely visible from that altitude) :
https://www.google.com/maps/@35.0020577 ... a=!3m1!1e3

Kouris:
https://www.google.com/maps/@34.7457413 ... a=!3m1!1e3

Occupied:
https://www.google.com/maps/@35.3254314 ... a=!3m1!1e3

[Get Real!]

I just poured a glass of water in one of those dams so that ruins everyone’s calculations!

[Pyrpolizer]

In short:
the dam at Myrtou is about the size of Kalopanayiotis Dam, that usually gets full after a week's rain as it's one of the smallest we have.
It can be filled up with Ship Tankers.
There has never been any such project carrying water under the sea for such a long distance using such huge (from memory I think the Turks used some sort of plastic type pipes about 1.5m in diameter). The projected actually delivered for only a few days...

What a great feeling it is to be a Turk, hey Mr.

Google Earth doesn't agree with you. Obviously I can't judge the depth of the water from a satellite photo, but in terms of water surface area the Kalopanayiotis Dam has about 40.000 square meters of water, while the Myrtou dam has about 1.000.000 square meters of water, which is comparable to Kourris Dam.

In terms of max capacity Kalopanayiotis Dam can hold up 363,000 m3 or water and Kourris 115,000,000 m3 while according to this wikipedia article the capacity of Myrtou Dam is now at 35,000,000 m3 (used to be 1,800,000 m3 before upgrade for the pipeline project).

But according to https://www.data.gov.cy/ currently Kourris is just 10.9% filled (less than 13,000,000 m3) so the Myrtou Dam could even have more water.

Before the upgrade it was not even a dam worth of listing.
http://www.moa.gov.cy/moa/wdd/wdd.nsf/A ... enDocument

I doubt it was even bigger than the small Lefka dam (cap 368K m3) , let aside bigger than the well known biggest dam in the occupied at Kionelli (cap 1045K m3)

Now if you want to believe the nonsense everyone writes in wiki that's entirely your choice.
Let aside that the numbers in wiki point to an increase in capacity by more than 1000 times!!
No way...

The numbers at the wiki show an increase in capacity of less than 20 times, not 1000 (from 1.8 million to 35 million). And while everyone can write on a wiki, not everyone can fake the satellite images that Google shows. You can clearly see the difference between the 2013 image and the 2018 image I posted earlier.

Here is a satellite photo of the 3 dams as seen from an altitude of 6191m.

Kalopanayitis (barely visible from that altitude) :
https://www.google.com/maps/@35.0020577 ... a=!3m1!1e3

Kouris:
https://www.google.com/maps/@34.7457413 ... a=!3m1!1e3

Occupied:
https://www.google.com/maps/@35.3254314 ... a=!3m1!1e3

First of all the surface area is not indicative of it's capacity because it depends on it's depth. Kourris dam is known to have a capacity of 115M however in your pictures it looks smaller than the Panagra dam of alleged max. capacity 35M.
Also Google does not take all it's images at the same time. It takes in stages along a certain latitude so images of Cyprus on different latitudes may have many months difference. Notice the Kalopanayiotis dam is shown empty.

When I checked it during this discussion
cyprus39847.html
it was in fact of smaller capacity than Kalopanayiotis but I did all the calculations based on the reported depth and the area I measured.
Now looking at your historical images do you honestly believe that the upgrade increased it's capacity by 20 times??
i can hardly estimate it to be more than 3 or 4 times. So what was it's true capacity before? And what is it now?

The only reliable info in your link is that it was upgraded from it's 1974 status one more time in 1989. Other than that,
the Turks are very good in throwing out any numbers out of their heads as e.g. this article which says it was FULL at 11M m3
in 7 months while they were boasting the project would deliver 75M m3/year!
This quantity could well have been delivered using a few tankers per month...

http://www.kathimerini.com.cy/gr/kypros ... /?ctype=ar

[Sotos]

With Google Earth you can see the date each image was taken and they are all the same date. And the dam at Kalopanayiotis is not shown empty. Also, what you see in the images is not the max capacity, but how much water each dam had at the time the image was taken.

What is obvious is that there is a lot more water now than it used to be before. So how did the water get there? And why dispute that it got there with pipes from Turkey? Would that be such a great achievement that is unbelievable? We are talking about pipes moving water... not about the Turks landing a spaceship on Jupiter! With your doubts you are making this project sound much greater than it really is.

[Pyrpolizer]

Because you are not in a position to even imagine the million+ technical problems of carrying water at 280m below sea level via what a 2m diameter pipe. Gosh you sound more ignorant and simplistic than Lordo when we were discussing it.
Over land yes, there's the technology to do it, but at such depth using a basically non serviceable line no.
Like I said there has never been any such project ever worldwide, there's no known technology, and guess what, 2 days after the fanfare of the ceremony it stopped flowing and they announced technical problems...
Why do you think they advertised as as the "water project of the Century"? Question is did it really work?
I already answered your question about how it might got filled up.

[Kikapu]

Because you are not in a position to even imagine the million+ technical problems of carrying water at 280m below sea level via what a 2m diameter pipe. Gosh you sound more ignorant and simplistic than Lordo when we were discussing it.
Over land yes, there's the technology to do it, but at such depth using a basically non serviceable line no.
Like I said there has never been any such project ever worldwide, there's no known technology, and guess what, 2 days after the fanfare of the ceremony it stopped flowing and they announced technical problems...
Why do you think they advertised as as the "water project of the Century"? Question is did it really work?
I already answered your question about how it might got filled up.

That’s my whole point, Pyro, that the “water project of the Century” has been all but forgotten, which is not like Turkey not to milk everything they can to show off their greatness if this water project was a successful. The fact that the whole technology was German and not Turkish is another story, but that would never stop the Turks taking credit anyway.

The video I had posted about the ceremony that took place 3 years ago welcoming the water from Turkey, was a pipe no bigger than a firefighters hose with less intensity of water shooting into the air. That amount of water would take few weeks to fill out an Olympic size swimming pool, let alone a large dam. Yes, the pipe was laid, but has it worked, and my suspicions are, that it has not. That was a propaganda video, first showing a large amount of water pouring out as it was let out of the dam for few seconds, and then the camera went to the small pipe shooting water into the air with the release of balloons.

[Pyrpolizer]

I agree Kikapu.
They could at least sell the know how.
Btw do you remember that for whole months after the ceremony they disconnected the pipe (i mean the huge one of 1.5-2m diameter) throwing all it's the water in the sea? People going there and wondering why the Turks do that, are they taking revenge for the TC ingratitude?

[Kikapu]

I agree Kikapu.
They could at least sell the know how.
Btw do you remember that for whole months after the ceremony they disconnected the pipe (i mean the huge one of 1.5-2m diameter) throwing all it's the water in the sea? People going there and wondering why the Turks do that, are they taking revenge for the TC ingratitude?

I do remember. They gave some excuse that the piping to the dam was not ready to carry the water. Personally, I think salt water got into the pipes from sea water, so they were pouring it back to the sea. Since that time, I have never heard anything as water being let into the dam.