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Re: Design vs Randomness

Postby Get Real! » Wed Oct 03, 2018 10:05 am

It’s like someone builds a massive castle; complete with towers and a moat, and Miltiades is worried about the little wooden stool in the corner of the grand kitchen! :lol:

What makes some of you people so thick is probably the only thing more mysterious than God himself! :lol:
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Re: Design vs Randomness

Postby miltiades » Wed Oct 03, 2018 10:14 am

Pack it up will you. You have NO idea !! A Jew writes Genesis telling the morons such as you how tbe world was created and you swallow this mythological bullshit.
Study your bible stupid, it was designed for the weak amongst ud. For the last time. THERE IS NO GOD, Mary did NOT give birth to Jesus by magic.
Jesus was just a man, not some imaginary God's son.
Can you try and explain Exodus, start with ....locusts covering the land of Egypt, but do remember it was also written by a Jew!!
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Re: Design vs Randomness

Postby Get Real! » Wed Oct 03, 2018 10:30 am

miltiades wrote:Pack it up will you. You have NO idea !! A Jew writes Genesis telling the morons such as you how tbe world was created and you swallow this mythological bullshit.
Study your bible stupid, it was designed for the weak amongst ud. For the last time. THERE IS NO GOD, Mary did NOT give birth to Jesus by magic.
Jesus was just a man, not some imaginary God's son.
Can you try and explain Exodus, start with ....locusts covering the land of Egypt, but do remember it was also written by a Jew!!

You make the common mistake of confusing God with a book written by humans, but they are two completely separate things…

1. God is an indisputable FACT because the universe is THERE!

2. The bible is a man-made object that claims to be "God-inspired", but we cannot prove that.

Therefore I never mix the two... I have no problems whatsoever recognizing the first FACT, and I can play with the second ALLEGATION until the cows come home!
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Re: Design vs Randomness

Postby miltiades » Wed Oct 03, 2018 10:45 am

If it wasn't for the bible, as well as other mythological writings we would not know about the fiction of god.
Incidentally, did you not write some time back that Cyprus has a history of more than 10, 000 years ??
How come ? In biblical terms the age of the earth is gove as ....6000 years !!
What absolute bolloucs!!
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Re: Design vs Randomness

Postby Get Real! » Wed Oct 03, 2018 10:49 am

miltiades wrote:If it wasn't for the bible, as well as other mythological writings we would not know about the fiction of god.

God doesn’t need the bible to prove himself… he’s already got something much more impressive than that… the almighty universe!

Therefore, the bible has NEVER served as evidence of the existence of God but rather as an indication of the NATURE of God.

The bible alleges that the God of the universe is a PERSONAL GOD that takes an interest in each and every one of us and that he is contactable by all via prayer!

All this of course is debatable because the bible is man-made.

So it would be pretty daft for someone to judge the existence of God solely by a book written by humans that can only be found on a single planet of this massive universe of countless planets!

In other words… Man CANNOT be the determinant of the existence of God with some book or with any other material artifact, but only the mere presence of the grand universe determines that.
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Re: Design vs Randomness

Postby Kikapu » Wed Oct 03, 2018 10:52 am

God could have created all living things in the universe and evolution could evolved all living things to what we have today for each different species from their own creation. Why can’t both God and evolution co-exist? Given that there are millions of species on the planet earth, and many different species become extinct each year and there are many new different species discovered each year, all living species with time does evolve in one form or other as nothing remains the same. If we only rely on evolution as the answer to everything, then why are there so many different species on earth when we were all given the same elements and conditions on earth for all the land species and for all the water species? One cannot dismiss something creating life out of nothing which is where God comes in, as well as nothing was created in it’s evolved status as we know today, which is where evolution comes in.
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Re: Design vs Randomness

Postby Get Real! » Wed Oct 03, 2018 10:59 am

Kikapu wrote:...as well as nothing was created in it’s evolved status as we know today, which is where evolution comes in.

We don't know that for a fact and I see no reason why God would need to utilize evolution for the creation of species.

Why not just wave one's magic wand and place two chickens there? Why go through some long laborious process?
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Re: Design vs Randomness

Postby Kikapu » Wed Oct 03, 2018 11:35 am

Get Real! wrote:
Kikapu wrote:...as well as nothing was created in it’s evolved status as we know today, which is where evolution comes in.

We don't know that for a fact and I see no reason why God would need to utilize evolution for the creation of species.

Why not just wave one's magic wand and place two chickens there? Why go through some long laborious process?


If you take evolution out of the creation equation, then all human species should all look the same for the males/females, but we are not all the same as we have all evolved differently depending from which part of the world we have stayed, adopting to those surroundings which we all evolved differently genetically, despite we all being created as humans by God and his magic wand! :wink:
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Re: Design vs Randomness

Postby miltiades » Wed Oct 03, 2018 12:51 pm

The sun's core temperature is around 25 million degrees c.
He was indeed a bloody good ....magician.
Let there be trillions of insects and let the sun be situated 4.6 billion miles away from earth with 25 million c. If you can not see that god is mythological then I must admit that you have little less logic than ...Tommy, one my kittens!!
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Re: Design vs Randomness

Postby Sotos » Wed Oct 03, 2018 4:13 pm

Kikapu wrote:
Get Real! wrote:
Kikapu wrote:...as well as nothing was created in it’s evolved status as we know today, which is where evolution comes in.

We don't know that for a fact and I see no reason why God would need to utilize evolution for the creation of species.

Why not just wave one's magic wand and place two chickens there? Why go through some long laborious process?


If you take evolution out of the creation equation, then all human species should all look the same for the males/females, but we are not all the same as we have all evolved differently depending from which part of the world we have stayed, adopting to those surroundings which we all evolved differently genetically, despite we all being created as humans by God and his magic wand! :wink:


The same process that leads to differences between the same species is what eventually leads to the creation of new species. It just takes a lot more time. Modern Humans have existed for about 200.000 years. Life on earth has existed for 3.8 billion years. This process is well understood and not disputed by any serious scientist.
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