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Re: Trump's shockingly honest U.N. speech

Postby Paphitis » Wed Oct 31, 2018 2:08 pm

Pyrpolizer wrote:Prices alone don't reflect reality.
The 1987 was a crash because of the high buying volumes while prices were skyrocketing.
Something similar to what happened in Cyprus. People eventually lose their money in the long run, because they get stuck with worthless paper.


Yeh they do. The All Ords reflect Market Capitalization and that is the sum of all shares for all companies that are listed.

As for reflecting reality, some stocks are over priced and others are bargains.

brokers have formulas that work it all out and they cxall that the PI Index and the PI Index is listed for every company on the All Ords.

from that you are suppose to determine what represents value for money. And as always prices are subject to Supply of the share Vs Demand for the Share.
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Re: Trump's shockingly honest U.N. speech

Postby Paphitis » Wed Oct 31, 2018 2:13 pm

Pyrpolizer wrote:Prices alone don't reflect reality.
The 1987 was a crash because of the high buying volumes while prices were skyrocketing.
Something similar to what happened in Cyprus. People eventually lose their money in the long run, because they get stuck with worthless paper.


Yes, a crash can occur because of a bubble.

That is what happened in Cyprus a few years ago, andf everyone went into a frenzy because Cypriot markets are not mature markets like those in America or Australia and Cypriots did not understand how the markets work. They thnk it is all a conspiracy but the reality is that the principles that drive the markets are ageless since Before Christ.

In Australia and the US, we have managed funds where you go to the professionals and invest into a huge fund where professional traders pick the stocks for you and pick when they buy and when they sell. They are paid on commission and bonuses. You do that or you go to a big brokerage firm which advises you what to buy and what to hold and when to sell.

If you do it yourself, you can, but it is probably a good idea to stick to the safe Banks and very large Blue Chips.

usually, when there is a bubble, the Central Bank places the hand brake on things by raising interest rates and bubbles occur from an over accelerating economy and enormous confidence which cause high inflation and a buying frenzy in property and stocks. Then people are overstretched so things slow down.

It is all part of a cycle. these things will not stop occurring because markets are also driven by human emotion. The point is, long term investors ride out that boom bust cycle and end up profiting in the long run. Always! :D

And usually these long term investors don't even worry about the corrections or even read the papers about them. It's more a case of meh...who cares. My fund manager will email me a report and it doesn't matter anyway because I got another 25 years of these cycles left.
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Re: Trump's shockingly honest U.N. speech

Postby Pyrpolizer » Wed Oct 31, 2018 3:09 pm

Good luck to you Paphitis.
Point is there's no chance in a million for any Cypriot to ever lose money in such activities any more.
If you have a look at the Cyprus' Stock exchange daily volumes you 'd laugh. I wonder why they still keep it going...

We might be stupid, but we are not as stupid to repeat the same mistake twice.
Are you sure the Aussies are more clever than us? :wink: :lol:
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Re: Trump's shockingly honest U.N. speech

Postby Paphitis » Wed Oct 31, 2018 3:28 pm

Pyrpolizer wrote:Good luck to you Paphitis.
Point is there's no chance in a million for any Cypriot to ever lose money in such activities any more.
If you have a look at the Cyprus' Stock exchange daily volumes you 'd laugh. I wonder why they still keep it going...

We might be stupid, but we are not as stupid to repeat the same mistake twice.
Are you sure the Aussies are more clever than us? :wink: :lol:


It's not good luck to me Pyro.

I'm just trying to tell you about some basic principles on the markets.

No the Aussies are not more clever than you. That is silly. They probably have more experience than the average Cypriot does about Stocks perhaps but not more cleverer.

Most Aussies actually invest in shares because every Aussie has a Super Fund and most of the money invested in these funds go to the stock market. It is mandatory. You can only choose your investment stream from cash, to Bank deposit to property to Balanced Funds, or Stocks.

I have set mine to 100% stocks and 50% goes to the US Dow Jones and NASDAQ while the 50% is on the Aussie Markets.

My stream is the riskiest because it also involves AUD to USD and back to AUD currency exchanges. So half my funds are in USD and in US Stocks. Half the money I invest is converted to USD and goes to US Stocks too and the other half to Australian Stocks in AUD. Risk factor is full pelt. Rewards are also full pelt and losses during corrections are more full pelt too.

It's the stream that can win the biggest and it is also the most volatile. But it is handled by professionals and the more time you put in the more better off you will be.

Because we have these schemes, Australians have educated themselves on how these markets work and there are also many financial advisors that tell us of the benefits and pitfalls. If it is long term like Super Funds usually are (its a Pension Fund), then there is no use worrying and it all pans out in the wash over the longer term.

I do not advise anyone going into stocks without getting proper qualified advice and after an assessment of your objectives and goals. It isn't for everyone.

I sometimes hear how old Cypriots talk here about what happened in Cyprus and it is a huge laugh. They just have no idea, but half of them haven't even finished school. They actually think big business and the Government scammed them and you got to wonder why people with this little knowledge would go into stocks to start off with. People are fueled by greed in the end of the day. This occurs in every country as greed is universal.
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Re: Trump's shockingly honest U.N. speech

Postby miltiades » Wed Oct 31, 2018 3:51 pm

miltiades wrote:Talking about investments, something which i avoid talking about, here is a tip for all you investors.
Please DO NOT take my word for it. You do your own research as I do.
TomTom !! Closed down yesterday at €7.22. Possibility of a takeover bid. Should that happen shares will increase, subject to offet price, substantially. PLEASE.Do your own research, its NOT for the faint hearted.
Check the price on google, just search : tomtom share price.

Thus far the price has risen to 7.38.
Around 2%, I expect it to rise further as speculation on a take over bid continues with Google on the forefront. Again I advise, do your own homework, do NOT take my word for it.
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Re: Trump's shockingly honest U.N. speech

Postby miltiades » Wed Oct 31, 2018 6:46 pm

Closing price €7.40 up by 18 cents om the day. So if say you invested 10,000 , in shates, you would have made a cool 1800 euros !! Not bad for a days work.!!!
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Re: Trump's shockingly honest U.N. speech

Postby Maximus » Fri Nov 02, 2018 9:59 pm

miltiades wrote:Closing price €7.40 up by 18 cents om the day. So if say you invested 10,000 , in shates, you would have made a cool 1800 euros !! Not bad for a days work.!!!


Do you realize that the price trend for this stock is down for the year?

This stock has also been practically flat for the past 10 years.

I would not invest 10k in to this pile of shit.

If you want to scalp a few cents out of the market, that's trading, but there are better, more liquid stocks to trade.
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Re: Trump's shockingly honest U.N. speech

Postby Maximus » Wed Nov 07, 2018 2:10 am

The US mid term electoral vote is being counted.

Trump is leading the way with twice the number of seats over the democrats for the house from the votes counted so far.

I said the Republicans will get more votes this time.
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Re: Trump's shockingly honest U.N. speech

Postby Paphitis » Wed Nov 07, 2018 2:16 am

Maximus wrote:The US mid term electoral vote is being counted.

Trump is leading the way with twice the number of seats over the democrats for the house from the votes counted so far.

I said the Republicans will get more votes this time.


I said it too Max.

Looks like Trump is assured of a second term as US President.

The snowflakes have only themselves to blame for this because there are now more deplorables like us! :D

Go Trump! 8)
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Re: Trump's shockingly honest U.N. speech

Postby Maximus » Wed Nov 07, 2018 2:53 am

Paphitis wrote:
Maximus wrote:The US mid term electoral vote is being counted.

Trump is leading the way with twice the number of seats over the democrats for the house from the votes counted so far.

I said the Republicans will get more votes this time.


I said it too Max.

Looks like Trump is assured of a second term as US President.

The snowflakes have only themselves to blame for this because there are now more deplorables like us! :D

Go Trump! 8)


There is a lot of volatility in the FX markets during these quite hours as the results are being released.

EURUSD and USDJPY have moved nearly half a cent in the last hour.
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