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Cyprus Problem and the Legal Battles

Postby elko » Mon Jan 16, 2006 2:18 pm

The first significant case was the Loizudou Decision from ECHR. Some Greek Cypriots got excited and thought that the Cyprus Problem was all over. Turkey would pay up in every and similar cases or face expulsion from European Assembley and/or face siezure of Turkish assets like Turkish Airways planes when they landed in Europe. Nothing of the kind happened. For years Turkey refused to pay and European countries did nothing about it except make some noises to save face. Eventually Turkey paid up in the wake of the Annan Plan and the powers be got off the hook because they did not know what to do about it.
The next significant ruling of ECHR was the Aresti decision. I know that the Greek Cypriot side has appealed to the higher Office but personally I do not think the decision will change. In effect, Turkey was found guilty of violating the European Charter of Human Rights by refusing Aresti the right to use her land but granted only costs in her favour. The matter of compensation for not being able to use her land for so many years was deferred for an indefinite time. Furthermore, to the great dissappointment of the Greek Cypriots, ECHR decided that the courts and other administrative bodies in the north has jurisdiction to give effective local remedy. ECHR will review this effectiveness in time.
The Aresti Decision of ECHR is extremely important becasue it recognized the courts in the north as "Under Turkish Military Control" to be effective remedies and also decided to shelve all the other applications until this effectiveness is proved or otherwise.
The Turkish Cypriot side passed a law through her Parliament to create such a local remedy. However the vital point in this law is that even though the courts will be able to compensate or even give back the land of the applicants, the implementation will be subject to the conditions of a comprehensive solution to the Cyprus Problem. Hence, the decisions will not be enforced until after a settlement and what is more important is that it will be subject to the conditions of the final agreement i.e. if an Annan Type of agreement is finally reached whereby only one third of the Greek Cypriot land will be handed back, then this condition will apply and we may be back to a square one!!
This is not all. During the Ottoman Rule much of the land was Vakf Property, that is to say the land passed from father to son or whatever according to the rules setting up that particular Vakf property and it could not be sold in any way. Furthermore, there is no time limit for any torts i.e. wrong doing. It is well documented that the whole of Varosha is vakf property and it was passed on to Greek Cypriots by the ruling British during 1910 to 1930. Don't forget that the wrong doer was in charge.
When the British came to Cyprus, they took over the administration of Vakf propeties whereas similar properties of the Greek Cypriots were left in the hands of the Greek Church. No time limit rule with regard to such property applied during the British Rule as well. I understand that during the London and Zurichn Agreements Denktash registered the reservations of the Turkish Cypriot Community with regard to these properties. The control of Vakf properties passed over to the Turkish Cypriot Community in the early fifties and this was the first major success of Dr. Kutchuk, the leader of the Turkish Cypriots at the time. The Turkish Vakf Administration recently filed an application in the Famagusta District Court for a Declaration that the land of Varosha belongs to the two given Vakfs and proved it with ancient documents. Eventually the court ruled accordingly.
Now let us come back to the Aresti case. If Aresti and others who claim land from the north do not apply to the courts in north Cyprus, well and good, their applications will not go forward at ECHR any more because they have not exhausted the local remedies. If they do apply to the courts in the north, them may face opposition from the Vakf Administration if these lands actually belonged to Vakf. If not they may get compensation or have their property back at a later date when the Cyprus Problem is settled.
A certain Arif Mustafa, a Turkish Cypriot wanted to have his land back in south Cyprus. He was told that he had to live in the south for at least six months before he could make such a claim. So he did and then applied to court and got an order in his favour but the ROC (or more appropriately the Greek Cypriot Administration of South Cyprus) refused to comply and is asking the court to delay it until the final solution of the Cyprus Problem. Furthermore, I just read in the papers that the south is planning to give title deeds to the refuges for the land that belonged to Turkish Cypriots. Well, it is election time after all!!
So let us sit back and watch all the fun because now the Turkish Cypriot side is on the attack as far as legal fights is concerned. The Greek Cypriots should do well to remember that those in glass houses should not throw stones. Any comments? (Ignore the last question, only a Paphian could make that :) )
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Postby Svetlana » Mon Jan 16, 2006 4:18 pm

Hi elko

I would be amazed if the RoC government planned to give GC Title Deeds for TC land'. Where did you hear that?

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Postby elko » Mon Jan 16, 2006 6:08 pm

Hello Svetlana,
I was not very specific about that particular info because I did not consider it central to my arguments. According to Kibris newspaper in north Cyprus, Papadop and all the parties in parliament agreed to submit a law to give title deeds to refugees for the refugee homes that were built on Turkish Cypriot land and also give them some title deeds for the Common lands, i.e. land that belong to the government. Philelefteros was one of the papers quoted. Furthermore, quoting Philelefteros, it said that the government did not intend to pay great sums to Turkish Cypriots and nationalize these lands.
I am really surprised to read this news myself because it is so contrary to the policies of the Greek Cypriots and would only legitimize what the Turkish Cypriots have done so far. On the other hand what they did to Arif Mustafa also surprised me because it is so much against Greek Cypriot interests. So let us take it with a pinch of salt until it becomes clearer.
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Postby Svetlana » Tue Jan 17, 2006 10:25 am

Hi elko

I do hope this does not happen; everyone will be a loser.

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Postby cypezokyli » Tue Jan 17, 2006 1:49 pm

elko wrote:

According to Kibris newspaper in north Cyprus, Papadop and all the parties in parliament agreed to submit a law to give title deeds to refugees for the refugee homes that were built on Turkish Cypriot land and also give them some title deeds for the Common lands, i.e. land that belong to the government


elko, once again we get different info from our press. its becoming a problem at times imho...

from todays politis
Οι πρόσφυγες που έκτισαν σπίτια (κάποια εξ αυτών είναι σημαντικής οικονομικής αξίας) σε οικόπεδα που τους δόθηκαν επί τ/κ γης (υπολογίζονται γύρω στις 8 χιλιάδες) δεν θα πάρουν τίτλο ιδιοκτησίας. Ανακοινώθηκε ήδη πως θα πάρουν άλλη βοήθεια, πιθανότατα κάποιο οικόπεδο


this is the exact opposite of what you have posted. that is : refuggees who have build houses on tc land will NOT get a title. most probably some other kind of help.
in the article it is clearly stated that it is the goverments objective not to create a political question over the topic, with the tcs. as a concequence no titles will be given to gc, when they are on tc land.

the real answer to the question will be given soon. then , we will all know. for the time being... can we trust the press ?
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Postby Piratis » Tue Jan 17, 2006 2:16 pm

The ECHR decisions are very clear and Turkey refuses to obey them: Pay compensation to the refugees for the 31 years of illegal occupation AND (not "or") allow them to have their properties back.

The longer Turkey insists on the illegality, the more compensations will have to pay in the end when all refugees will return to their homes and legality restored.

Regarding the TC land, this land is under the same laws as any other land in RoC. They took land from my family as well to house the refugees and we were just given a very small compensation for it. This can happen with TCs as well. The illegal Turkish occupation is affecting all Cyprus and all Cypriots should share the cost, including the TCs. The last ones who can complain about this are the ones who support this illegality like our friend elko.
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Postby bg_turk » Tue Jan 17, 2006 2:21 pm

Piratis wrote:The ECHR decisions are very clear and Turkey refuses to obey them: Pay compensation to the refugees for the 31 years of illegal occupation AND (not "or") allow them to have their properties back.

The Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus does not refuse to obey those decisions, in fact it is now taking steps towards obeying them. Thanks to the efforts of the ECHR, the human rights issue will soon be solved but will this be enough for you?
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Postby Piratis » Tue Jan 17, 2006 2:36 pm

What "Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus" are you taking about? The ECHR doesn't have rulings against your imaginary entities. The rulings were against Turkey, and she is the one who has to end the illegalities and give compensations for the 31 years of illegal occupation.
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Postby bg_turk » Tue Jan 17, 2006 3:00 pm

I am referring to the one the ECHR calls the so-called "Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus"

Haven't answered the question though. Would restoration of human right be enough for you though?
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Postby Piratis » Tue Jan 17, 2006 9:26 pm

so-called "Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus"

Ok, the so-called "TRNC", otherwise known as the pseudo puppet state of Turkey.

Would restoration of human right be enough for you though?


Human rights, democracy and legality. These would be more than enough for me, and these require the end of the illegal occupation.
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