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[bg_turk]

Anything else?

Yes, I think Bush was right in saying that the UN is useless

In any case I fail to understand what law is the TRNC legally invalid according to, and who is responsible for policing and enforcing these laws? The answer is no one since under Chapter Six Security Council Resolutions are not legally binding:

Under Chapter Six of the Charter, "Pacific Settlement of Disputes", the Security Council "may investigate any dispute, or any situation which might lead to international friction or give rise to a dispute". The Council may "recommend appropriate procedures or methods of adjustment" if it determines that the situation might endanger international peace and security. These recommendations are not binding on UN members.

Under Chapter Seven, the Council has broader power to decide what measures are to be taken in situations involving "threats to the peace, breaches of the peace, or acts of aggression". In such situations, the Council is not limited to recommendations but may take action, including the use of armed force "to maintain or restore international peace and security". This was the basis for UN armed action in Korea in 1950 during the Korean War and the use of coalition forces in Iraq and Kuwait in 1991. Decisions taken under Chapter Seven, such as economic sanctions, are binding on UN members.

Only under Chapter Seven resolutions are binding, and then the UN should have taken millitary action against Turkey a long time ago.

As you can see the security council resolutions under Chapeter Six are only recomendations that are not binding on members. If a law is not biding then what kind of law is it? What kind of legality is non-binding? And what kind of oxymoron is it to say a state is illegal when actually it is allowed to be illegal!

[Piratis]

Look Piratis I asking you a question yet you blatenly ignore the real core, if we are trying to give you back your human rights regarding your proprties in the same fashion as you are giving it to us will everything be ok?

What "same fashion"???? We are giving you back every single property immediately as long as you stop your illegalities. Stop the illegalities and we will get all our property and you will get all your property. So why don't you stop the illegalities so that everyone can get their properties back?

You cant answer ....

I already did. Many times. I and RoC want ALL illegalities to end. You insist on the illegalities. So how can you blame RoC when you are the ones who created and insist on the illegalities?

[Piratis]

bg-turk, we know that Turkey doesn't care about UN resolutions, human rights and that it is an undemocratic entity run by the army. You didn't tell us anything new.

[elko]

Cypezokyli,
Thanks for your response and you have a very valid point. I do not trust the papers. Usually they get it wrong in the details but I am still puzzled about this news. How could they write something that is completely wrong? Could it be deliberate, if so what is the motive? Any suggestions or hints? I am really not implying anything, just puzzled.
I would be interested to hear views of people about what I wrote in my originating message. I have not had any so far.
ismet

[bg_turk]

What "same fashion"???? We are giving you back every single property immediately as long as you stop your illegalities. Stop the illegalities and we will get all our property and you will get all your property. So why don't you stop the illegalities so that everyone can get their properties back?

Isn't that what the TRNC is exactly doing? It is planniing to return the property of Loizidu in accordance with the ruling of the ECHR, and consider the cases of greek cypriots that seek his rights. In fact I do not believe a 6 month limit is necessary. GCs should simply be asked to reside for 15 days in the North, to gain a residence permit, and they should be given back their land or if not possible due to construction the equivalent of it. In situation where return would be too complicated and severely disrupt the lifes of citizens, the TRNC should find a temporary housing, until a final solution to the Cyprus Problem is found.

[elko]

Cypezokyli,
Thanks for your response and you have a very valid point. I do not trust the papers. Usually they get it wrong in the details but I am still puzzled about this news. How could they write something that is completely wrong? Could it be deliberate, if so what is the motive? Any suggestions or hints? I am really not implying anything, just puzzled.
I would be interested to hear views of people about what I wrote in my originating message. I have not had any so far.
ismet

[cypezokyli]

elko, as far as i know, africa published the same thing that i told you.

i am starting to get a feeling that it is deliberate. at least when it comes to the press in the south, i do believe they are just spreading nationalism. i do hope that in the north its better.

[cypezokyli]

as for the legal battles...its just the way we have chosen to solve the cyprus problem.
i disagree. the problem is above all political not to mention human...courts cannot solve it.

there are a number of cases right now that could influence the future of cyprus.
xenidis aresti , ari mustafa , the orams...
i cannot give you a prediction. they are all distinct and same in some respects. only the future will show if courts are better than a real agreement. only the future...

[rotate]

Just for Info and nothing to do with occupied Cyprus.

I have personal proof that the RoC takes the ECHR ruling on Lozidou v Turkey very seriously. For some years my wife and I have had a major problem with a corrupt bar owning policeman, drug dealers, prostitutes and intimidation resulting in our abandoning our Larnaca home. All efforts to get the Police the Mayor and the Municipality of Larnaca to help proved fruitless. However in our last letter to the authorities we quoted the ECHR ruling on Lozidou v Turkey and the the EU declaration on Human Rights which states clearly "That all natural and legal persons shall be entitled to the peaceful enjoyment of his possesions".
The quotation of this short sentence the ECHR ruling and the possibility of our legal representative using this information in a court of Law against Larnaca municipality, the Licensing authority, the Bar owner and the Property owner seems to have had remarkable effect and the place has been swarming with policemen ever since to the extent that the bar has virtually closed down.
Maybe I'm just an old cynic but perhaps the claim on our behalf by our lawyers of a not inconsiderable sum in damages, compensation and the negative publicity generated backed by the ECHR ruling finally put a rocket up some ones arse!

In the interests of fairness I'm sure the Turkish authorities would now like to out do their Cypriot collegues and maybe we won't now have to wait until the next life to get our Famagusta home back from the people who have 'protected' it since 74 or am I being just a little over optimistic?

[Viewpoint]

Look Piratis I asking you a question yet you blatenly ignore the real core, if we are trying to give you back your human rights regarding your proprties in the same fashion as you are giving it to us will everything be ok?

What "same fashion"???? We are giving you back every single property immediately as long as you stop your illegalities. Stop the illegalities and we will get all our property and you will get all your property. So why don't you stop the illegalities so that everyone can get their properties back?

You cant answer ....

I already did. Many times. I and RoC want ALL illegalities to end. You insist on the illegalities. So how can you blame RoC when you are the ones who created and insist on the illegalities?

Is the "RoC" an illegal state??? Do you claim to be a democratic and supporter of human rights, a member of the EU?? then surely you should act accordingly. Practice what you preach Piratis, 2 wrongs never make a right, lead by example!!! What you apply to us regarding property you should be happy to have thrown back at you, whats the problem do you feel what you are doing with TCs property is not fair??? if we do the same until a solution is found then that should make all GCs happy.