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Postby bg_turk » Fri Jan 20, 2006 9:17 pm

Piratis wrote:However Turkey is at about the max of the power than she can get right now and this max power didn't allow her to legalize the results of her invasion in Cyprus.

What makes you think that Turkey is at the maximum of its power?
The reason why Turkey failed to "legalize" the TRNC is preceisly because the superpowers support YOU, and not Turkey.

Even if the power of Turkey goes higher, it will need to become a world superpower to be able to invade and occupy the rest of Cyprus, an EU member.

Turkey does not want to occupy the rest of Cyprus.

Many think that they "won the war" and that for this reason just democracy and human rights for all is not enough for them and they need to gain on the loss of Greek Cypriots. This arrogance didn't bring to them anything, and in the future it will turn against them.

I sincerely hope and believe that the TRNC will give GCs the right to return to their former homes. Even "winning" a war cannot justify the human rights violations of those who lost it.
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Postby Piratis » Sat Jan 21, 2006 1:47 am

What makes you think that Turkey is at the maximum of its power?
The reason why Turkey failed to "legalize" the TRNC is preceisly because the superpowers support YOU, and not Turkey.

So the USA that strangles to put Turkey in the EU, supply them all their military equipment etc, is actually supporting us and not Turkey?

The only thing they are forced to support is the international law (on the surface) because doing otherwise would mean an end to the UN.

If Turkey would be any other country not supported by the Americans, based on her actions it should have been bombed like Nazi Germany, and its leaders sent to courts for crimes against humanity.

I sincerely hope and believe that the TRNC will give GCs the right to return to their former homes. Even "winning" a war cannot justify the human rights violations of those who lost it.


Good. Having people from the inside will make it much easier for us to end the illegal occupation. The reason they forced us out was because they knew they couldn't maintain an occupation with GCs among them.
No matter what they do, their illegal occupation will end sooner or later and the people that were responsible and supported the illegalities will face the justice.
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Postby bg_turk » Sat Jan 21, 2006 1:59 am

Piratis wrote:Good. Having people from the inside will make it much easier for us to end the illegal occupation. The reason they forced us out was because they knew they couldn't maintain an occupation with GCs among them.

Well good that they forced you out then.
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Postby Lala_Mustafa_Pasha » Wed Jan 25, 2006 5:42 pm

Piratis, your extreme xenophobia and racism towards Turks is precisely the reason why there has been a conflict, you are a metaphor of the problem.

You believe you are superior to Turks, that we are sub-human barbarians and that only Greeks can get hurt, I mean its fine that EOKA Terrorists slaughtered Turks for 15 years because you dont see us as fellow human being therefore you feel no guilt at what they did.

Turkiye is getting stronger, there a much stronger nation than 20 years ago and so is Turkish Cyprus, as time goes by more and more nations life economic embargos and walk towards formal recognition, nothing stays the same Piratis the days when you could spraed lies and hate about us are over, the world is waking up and we will have our justice wether "you" like it or not.

And quite frankly, its clear your incable of tolerating or living with Turks so why dont you support two nations Greeky Cyprus and Turkish Cyprus that way you wont have to see or live with any of us :wink:
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Postby VEX8 » Wed Jan 25, 2006 5:49 pm

The problem with having the Chinnese as a superpower is that ten minutes later you fancy another one.
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Postby Piratis » Wed Jan 25, 2006 8:23 pm

Piratis, your extreme xenophobia and racism towards Turks is precisely the reason why there has been a conflict, you are a metaphor of the problem.

The problem are people like you that believe that if you have the power this gives you the right to kill, perform ethnic cleansing and steal the land of others.

You believe you are superior to Turks, that we are sub-human barbarians and that only Greeks can get hurt, I mean its fine that EOKA Terrorists slaughtered Turks for 15 years because you dont see us as fellow human being therefore you feel no guilt at what they did.

Not only I have never approved any crimes against Turkish Cypriots but I have in fact condemn them repeatedly.
On the other hand, not only you have not condemned your atrocities against Greek Cypriots that lasted for much longer and were far worst, not only you choose to forget or even excuse those atrocities against us, you continue today as we speak to support even more crimes against Greek Cypriots by giving lame excuses.

The barbarians are not the Turks as a whole. The barbarians are the racists ones like you who believe that you have the right to violate the human and democratic rights of others for your own benefit.

In fact I support full equality of all Cypriots regardless of their race, religion, language etc. On the other hand you support a racist discrimination of people, were Cypriots are separated into GCs and TCs in order for you to gain on our loss.

Turkiye is getting stronger, there a much stronger nation than 20 years ago and so is Turkish Cyprus, as time goes by more and more nations life economic embargos and walk towards formal recognition, nothing stays the same Piratis the days when you could spraed lies and hate about us are over, the world is waking up and we will have our justice wether "you" like it or not.

And "justice" according to you is for the 18% minority of TCs to keep the 37% of land the Turkish army took by force in violation of every international law? Is you version of "justice" unlike the European Court of Human Rights justice that calls for our refugees to be allowed to return to their own homes?
Justice will be served when Cyprus will be liberated from the foreign invaders and this will happen sooner or later either you like it or not.

And quite frankly, its clear your incable of tolerating or living with Turks so why dont you support two nations Greeky Cyprus and Turkish Cyprus that way you wont have to see or live with any of us


Although a lot of brainwashing is going on on your side, most Turks and TCs are not racist barbarians like you are. I have no problem with Turkish Cypriots that respect my human and democratic rights.
The criminals that show no respect to the sovereignty of Republic of Cyprus and are working against the human and democratic rights of others will be punished accordingly.
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Postby Lala_Mustafa_Pasha » Wed Jan 25, 2006 8:53 pm

Piratis your living in a fantasy world, you've been brainwashed beyond reconciliation its ridiuclous the amount of nonsense you blabber.

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The problem are people like you that believe that if you have the power this gives you the right to kill, perform ethnic cleansing and steal the land of others.


I haven't killed, participated in ethnic cleansing or stole anyones land.

My family was assaulted members were slaughtered our village attacked and our home razed to the ground by EOKA Terrorists and yet I am the guilty one :roll:

You talk about ethnic cleansing with no shame, it was the Greek Junta's policy to ethnically cleanse the Island of Turks and tie the Island to mainland Greece, this is no secret, they used to brag about it.

Not only I have never approved any crimes against Turkish Cypriots but I have in fact condemn them repeatedly.
On the other hand, not only you have not condemned your atrocities against Greek Cypriots that lasted for much longer and were far worst


For 15 years innocent Turks were slaughtered by EOKA Terrorists in a NON-WAR SITUATION, we were slaughtered in a time of NO WAR, don't you get it.

You cannot compare War casualties which are un-avoidable to people slaughtered by Armed forces in a Non-War situation, does your brain comprehend with this SIMPLE LOGIC.

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In fact I support full equality of all Cypriots regardless of their race, religion, language etc. On the other hand you support a racist discrimination of people, were Cypriots are separated into GCs and TCs in order for you to gain on our loss


Wake up this is the real world, there's no such thing as a "Cypriot", we dont have a Cypriot Language, were not a unified mass, were not the same people I'm sorry but this is a fact. I'm a Turk your a Greek, if we were all happy Cypriots we'd be hugging each other but obviously were not, have a DEEP thought as to why.

I support rights of Greeks and Turks, I view Greeks as human beings at least and I am not the one foaming at the mouth calling people barbarians.

Tc and Gc are seperate, we have a state now, we dont need to worry about EOKA Terrorists and crazy Enosis plans anymore and you have your state in the South.

We are happy with what we have, were not greedy and asking for the whole Island unlike you, we have a right to live aswell wether you like it or not and our right to live in under our laws suited for our people.

And "justice" according to you is for the 18% minority of TCs to keep the 37% of land the Turkish army took by force in violation of every international law?


You drove out thousands of Turkish Cypriots as refugees, there are 500,000 Turkish Cypriots outside Turkish Cyprus, its our land now you have your land in the South. You should have thought about this before EOKA Terrorist embarked upon their Enosis campaign.

Also making such claims as your making are totally ridiculous, you cannot determine how much land upon populations, also what population figures are you going by, today's or those a long long long time ago :wink:

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most Turks and TCs are not racist barbarians like you are.


WoW theres a start :lol:

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The criminals that show no respect to the sovereignty of Republic of Cyprus and are working against the human and democratic rights of others will be punished accordingly.


So I guess your referring to the Greeks who had no respect for the sovereignty of Republic of Cyprus, you know the EOKA Terrorists Greek Junta I mean there the ones who scrapped the constitution, it simply wasnt acceptable to have a single Turk on the Island was it, oh and who was it who first embarked upon tying the Island to mainland Greece.

You need to get out more and read some books cos your awfully confused.

Yes I hope those Greek Junta Terrorists get punished for their crimes and their lack of regard for the Republic of Cyprus must be condemned.

You just dont get it do you, Turks arnt the cause of this, we didnt scrap the consitution or send an Armed Junta to kill the Greeks and tie the Island to MainLand Turkey now did we.

We used a Legal Guaranteur Right to liberate our people from being wiped off the face of the Island, quite brave and noble if you ask me, PUT YOUR SELF IN A TURKS SHOES FOR ONCE.
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Postby Piratis » Wed Jan 25, 2006 9:20 pm

I haven't killed, participated in ethnic cleansing or stole anyones land.

You support the ethnic cleansing of 200.000 Greek Cypriots, and the stealing of their properties, don't you?

My family was assaulted members were slaughtered our village attacked and our home razed to the ground by EOKA Terrorists and yet I am the guilty one

There are many people like your family, much more Greek Cypriots than Turkish Cypriots. You are guilty because you continue to support human rights violations and crimes instead of supporting that these violations should end.

You talk about ethnic cleansing with no shame, it was the Greek Junta's policy to ethnically cleanse the Island of Turks and tie the Island to mainland Greece, this is no secret, they used to brag about it.


1) I have never supported Greek junta
2) Greek junta ended 30 years ago
3) The ethnic cleansing was performed by Turkey, not by anybody else.
4) Turkey continues to insist on ethnic cleansing as we speak

For 15 years innocent Turks were slaughtered by EOKA Terrorists in a NON-WAR SITUATION, we were slaughtered in a time of NO WAR, don't you get it.

And an equal amount of GCs was slaughtered by TMT at the same period. Also the bi-communal conflict started with the killing of 8 Greek Cypriots. So why do you pretend to be the virgin Mary when even during those 15 years you have caused the same amount of damage to us?



You cannot compare War casualties which are un-avoidable to people slaughtered by Armed forces in a Non-War situation, does your brain comprehend with this SIMPLE LOGIC.

No, the "simple logic" that by declaring war and invading another country committing atrocities is something OK, is not part of my logic.

Wake up this is the real world, there's no such thing as a "Cypriot", we dont have a Cypriot Language, were not a unified mass, were not the same people I'm sorry but this is a fact. I'm a Turk your a Greek, if we were all happy Cypriots we'd be hugging each other but obviously were not, have a DEEP thought as to why.

The why is simple: Because racist separation suits you in order to gain from our loss by using the power of Turkey.

I support rights of Greeks and Turks, I view Greeks as human beings at least and I am not the one foaming at the mouth calling people barbarians.

How do you support the human rights of Greek Cypriots when you support their ethnic cleansing and the creation of a pseudo puppet state of Turkey on their land?

Tc and Gc are seperate, we have a state now, we dont need to worry about EOKA Terrorists and crazy Enosis plans anymore and you have your state in the South.

If you want a separate state go build it in Turkey or the moon. Not on our land. You have no right to do so and this is why your pseudo state is and will remain illegal until the day it will be returned to its legal owners.

We are happy with what we have, were not greedy and asking for the whole Island unlike you, we have a right to live aswell wether you like it or not and our right to live in under our laws suited for our people.

Of course you are happy with what you have. You are the 18% and you grabbed the 37%. If this is not greediness then I don't know what is!
either you like it or not Cyprus belongs to all Cypriots like it has been for 100s of years. You have no right to perform ethnic cleansing because you want to be separated.

You drove out thousands of Turkish Cypriots as refugees, there are 500,000 Turkish Cypriots outside Turkish Cyprus, its our land now you have your land in the South. You should have thought about this before EOKA Terrorist embarked upon their Enosis campaign.

You drove out of Cyprus much more Greek Cypriots refugees. In fact most Turkish Cypriots left Cyprus after the Turkish invasion, so you drove them out, not us.

I support the full return off all refugees to their own homes. Do you?

So I guess your referring to the Greeks who had no respect for the sovereignty of Republic of Cyprus, you know the EOKA Terrorists Greek Junta I mean there the ones who scrapped the constitution, it simply wasnt acceptable to have a single Turk on the Island was it, oh and who was it who first embarked upon tying the Island to mainland Greece.

I talk about all. In fact the leaders of the Greek junta and EOKA B have already been jailed. The same should happen with the leaders of TMT and Turkey that organized the invasion.

You need to get out more and read some books cos your awfully confused.

You are awfully confused and one sided.

Yes I hope those Greek Junta Terrorists get punished for their crimes and their lack of regard for the Republic of Cyprus must be condemned.

It happened already with the leaders of the Greek junta. I guess this was not mentioned in the many books you read ah?


You just dont get it do you, Turks arnt the cause of this, we didnt scrap the consitution or send an Armed Junta to kill the Greeks and tie the Island to MainLand Turkey now did we.

Of course you did, and you continue to do it as we speak by insisting on illegalities and crimes by giving lame excuses.

We used a Legal Guaranteur Right to liberate our people from being wiped off the face of the Island, quite brave and noble if you ask me, PUT YOUR SELF IN A TURKS SHOES FOR ONCE.

There is nothing legal about the occupation of Cyprus. Turkey was a Guarantor of Republic of Cyprus. She was supposed to protect the constitution not to violate it.
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Postby Lala_Mustafa_Pasha » Wed Jan 25, 2006 10:11 pm

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There are many people like your family, much more Greek Cypriots than Turkish Cypriots.


This isn't a game about who killed more, I;m sorry you think it is.

You still dont get it, your trying to compare innocent Turks killed by Greek Armed forces in a NON-WAR Situation, to Armed Greeks killed in a WAR, its un-comparable read about the rules of War and what happens in War to discover why, you might get it one day.

3) The ethnic cleansing was performed by Turkey, not by anybody else.


You admitted early that the EOKA Terrorists Greek Junta polilcy of Enosis was ethnic cleansing, so yes Greek Junta did carry out ethnic cleansing, you should try and find out what ethnic cleansing is. The Greek Junta summed it up alright, To Kill Every Turk on the Island and make Cyprus a pure Greek Island, this is ethnic cleansing.

Re-location is not ethnic cleansing it is re-location a big difference.

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And an equal amount of GCs was slaughtered by TMT at the same period.


Now your being a hypocrite and we all know your now inventing it as you go along, Gc crimes against Un-armed Turks in in-excusable, dont you get it, Armed Junta vs Villages who have maybe a few old village guns in the shed, its not comparable, a trained army fighting Villagers ther's no justification.

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No, the "simple logic" that by declaring war and invading another country committing atrocities is something OK


No ofcourse its not ok but its a War, a declared War by the rules of war, war is terrible and people die this is the awfull thing about war, EOKA should have though about this and had a thought about what the consequences for their actions should be.

You think its OK, to sit and watch your people getting moved down by a trained Junta Force, where's the justice in that :roll:

If you want a separate state go build it in Turkey or the moon. Not on our land. You have no right to do so and this is why your pseudo state


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Wake up, its not "your" land and never has been, since when was this a Greek Island ha, since when did the 1960 Republic of "Cyprus" remember Cyprus not Greek or Turk but Cyprus suddenly become YOUR land, its just as much my land as your land wether you like it or not.

Oh and its called Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus, TRNC, KKTC, get to grips with it, its the future 8)


Of course you are happy with what you have. You are the 18% and you grabbed the 37%. If this is not greediness then I don't know what is!


Oh it just gets worse and worse with you.

Again, land is not determined via population its not rocket science. When the Greek Junta embarked upon its mission it wanted 100% of the land 100% I mean thats what I call greedy, you wanted it all for yourself and none for the Turks.

We could have easilty took the whole of the Island but we didnt we left your part to the Greeks you should be thankfull of this, just get used to it, North Turkish Cyprus is ours and thats the way it is sorry but thats it and if you plan any crazy millitary operation against us it will be suicide you wont have 1% left.


There is nothing legal about the occupation of Cyprus. Turkey was a Guarantor of Republic of Cyprus. She was supposed to protect the constitution not to violate it.


:lol:

So your saying we should have invaded when the Greek Junta first arrived, violated the Contsitution and tried to tie Cyprus to mainland Greece. I agree we would have been saved from alot of suffering.

Chech, Guaranteur Rights and what it ensures and then work out that when one side is being wiped out it is the Guaranteurs right to protect her people, its not rocket science you'll get it.
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Postby Perastikos » Wed Jan 25, 2006 10:18 pm

Wake up, its not "your" land and never has been, since when was this a Greek Island ha, since when did the 1960 Republic of "Cyprus" remember Cyprus not Greek or Turk but Cyprus suddenly become YOUR land, its just as much my land as your land wether you like it or not.


I’m truly shamed about our people stupidity please forgive him, we are not all the same.
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