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[repulsewarrior]

Friday, January 13, 2012
Occupy The Buffer Zone
http://www.cyprus-forum.com/cyprus36246-300.html


...so it is damned if you do, damned if you don't for the interlocutors.

they fear how much this movement will grow. it is not pie in the sky, it is easy to understand; there are "Greeks", there are "Turks", there are Cypriots. the public will start to recognise that their representation as citizens of a State called Cyprus for the last fifty years have been on their own track, that the debate is invalid, that their leadership have been struggling to maintain a balance of power which keeps us as adversaries within their control.

if the youth reject the thinking that they are from mutually exclusive sets, it may be possible for them to break the cycle of their exploitation as markets (and as taxpayers). they may realise the benefit of their cooperation and other notions which represent a way of life which ends their impotence, that they are a power which is loathed by the established order as it has been defined. don't forget that what was destroyed by the Problem was a society that was very socialised, able to sustain itself mostly as village dwellers without external influences, who identified with their land and not their culture. they may realise the value of the island, and its relationship to the geography which surrounds it, they may realise that the example that they represent may be emulated; something clearly, the interlocutors wish to stop.

do not despair, it is good news. we now know that these puny nobodies cannot be ignored, and that their idea is a dangerous thing to those who wish things stay the same. i hope and pray that the bonds between them will remain, and it is my opinion the forces against them have started something which will not stop. better for the powers that exist if they had coddled the protesters, and corrupted them, but soon it will be too late for that.

...i see flags of Cyprus driving around the whole island this summer, and not hundreds but thousands who will join them.

[repulsewarrior]

Monday, October 26, 2015
Re: The United Segragated States of Cyprus
http://www.cyprus-forum.com/cyprus44161.html#p827867


Cyprus, with the expense of having Constituencies, may provide an important link to the needs that as Persons, Individuals need, toward defining their own distinct identity within the context of a State that is broader.

What is at issue is the intention of the parties as they are framed today. What are they looking for? One can not expect an "Enosis" to Greece any longer, and a "Greek" state in Cyprus is no longer a possibility either, only unless there exists a willingness to sacrifice the island and its Heritance, for a society/two societies which chooses to promote an enmity for "others", it seems will the "Turks" (and the "Greeks") that represent about a half of the island's population be satisfied; but it is not the only choice.

...indeed, Koray Basogrultmacı and Cinel Senem Husseyin, have demonstrated that the Flag of Cyprus does not represent a "Greekness", or a "Turkishness", and that in belonging it is Cypriot; it is neither "Greek", or "Turkish". They bent what seems an impossibly intransigent regime with one truth, that Cyprus exists. All of us can demonstrate the same courage, for Cyprus, and the possibility that Cyprus can take control of the Agenda for what is essentially an internal problem Cypriot in nature. This simple gesture, flying this Flag, my lead to someone being shot quite frankly, but more of it is necessary to build the trust that Turcophones need, and, the respect that the overwhelming Grecophone population needs as well, to be willing to defend each other.

...if there is a loud enough voice from the population, the politicians as an elite will have to rethink what is established, and what is the status quo.

It is our choice, the Citizens by voting, but more importantly it is by action that the choices available will change.

[repulsewarrior]

Sunday, December 06, 2020
The Cuba Libre Story: lessons for Cyprus
https://cyprus-mail.com/2020/12/06/the- ... 5178736892


...indeed, perhaps it is the history of islands; not mere possessions, which prove essential to social-exchange: that some are cross-roads,

...how is it that Fidel built at his own expense an Orthodox Church? How is it that Che, and Castro, declared of
Makarios and Grivas, them, as their inspiration against Imperialist Agendas, at the advent of Guerrilla Warfare.

What were Cubans to do, in America?

What of Cypriots, against the British?

Rule of Law, respect, equality, trust; the irony: what were they asking for (in affect as chattel)?

...let's not forget 1960, what Cypriots, as Cypriots did. Not one asphalt road existed, from one end of the island to the other. No water, from Civil Works.

Makes me wonder how Cypriots have come so far since then; from "being" an Ottoman possession, a backwater with barracks and services, and since the British took it as "theirs": how much as Cypriots their lives improved.

Makes me wonder how it is Cypriots could get so far, without the interlocutors' "influence"; basically in just three short years. And how far they could go without "them" today.

...so it is with "Turkishness", now; what "Greekness" brought upon Greeks and Turks, in Cyprus, then.

Oppression has many forms. In that regard, comparing Cuba to Cyprus is not so easy, except that as Identities, they are ignored through the same denial, by those attached to dogmas which include Imperialistic notions...

...without Cyprus, as a State, just like without a Cuba where Cubans live, is a world less safe, less Free.

[repulsewarrior]

Saturday, January 07, 2023
Former Akinci adviser said he and his family came under intense pressure from Turkey in 2020
https://cyprus-mail.com/2023/01/07/form ... y-in-2020/


...at some point "This" will go too far. Not just in Cyprus but in Turkey itself, now torn into parts like in Cyprus: those who are "Turkish", and those who are not.

...Turkish Cypriots are at the vanguard against this tyranny. If we want it to stop we must join them.

[repulsewarrior]

Saturday, January 28, 2023
UN Secretary-General expresses ‘full support’ for his Cyprus representative
https://cyprus-mail.com/2023/01/28/un-s ... sentative/


Mr. Stewart has stepped into it, the Cyprus Problem, like it or not. (...welcome to Cyprus.)

...indeed, i blame the "Greeks" for all the misery. I blame the "Turks" exactly for the same reasons.

But for the other half as voters decades torn apart unnaturally who place Basic Human Rights and Universal Principles above all else, "They" would have won by now. It is something to think about; Cypriots are not few.

If Mr. Stewart wants to help Cypriots in Cyprus, it is important to never forget that the Problem, as symptoms go, may be at the root of it in Cyprus, but such Constitutional reform, a BBF, serves the needs of Persons in Turkey, and as it is evolving in the Ukraine as well (for example), and for the same reasons.

Freedom and Liberty; as Individuals and amongst Persons: is that a lot to ask?

Indeed the problem in Cyprus is not about Greeks against Turks, nor about "Turkishness" vs. "Greekness", but "Greeks" and "Turks" (anti-Cypriots) against Turks and Greeks (Cypriots).

...let's remember that Canada is a BBF. Canada and Canadians as Canadians is not hard to imagine while it too is a country made up of many constituencies, and each with their own distinct identities. As such, i am hopeful that Mr. Stewart's insights may prove useful toward solving the Problem, for the world and for the People of Cyprus suffering the problems from it.

[repulsewarrior]

Friday, April 20, 2012
Cyprus :: Why is Cyprus Divided? - Page 3
http://www.cyprus-forum.com/cyprus37669-20.html#p713712


...Cyprus is divided because Turkey believes that it is property; the people are of no consequence. This they believe is a well founded fact based on the Principal of Law (before the Modern Age) when Cyprus was made English, thus she does not recognise the validity of the Treaty of Lausanne. The British of course demonstrate their Sovereignty as well, by example their rush to express this fact at Curium.

...Cypriots are divided by their mythic personas, reality will set in soon, we are passed the Modern Age.

...Cyprus is divided because of its geographic location. in an effort to continue the plunder of past ages, there are these efforts to possess "it". it does not matter the divide, it could be mostly "French", and a reason would be found to divide the minority from a Cypriot people, as "English", (or "German"), there would exist a Proxy War.

...Cypriots have not grasped what Bicommunal and Bizonal could mean. They are not prepared it seems to confront their fears to lead Mankind beyond the Nation as a State, where they are a State within which there are Nations.

[repulsewarrior]

Friday, April 07, 2006
Land Use, occupation and ownership.
Cyprus bicommunal discussion and chat forum : Detain Me Next Time Too:

Cyprus will become a multi ethnic community, even if it continues with its impasse.

Kifeas has a point. Under any other circumstance, in any other country, the Turcophone people would be a minority, with such due consideration, the limit of the States generousity.

However, Cyprus was, and still remains an experiment in geo-politics. Other countries, who gained their sovereignty, immediately following our own, are in worse shape, with their populations facing horrible suffering from the effects of indebtedness, and warfare. I like to think that the last thirty years have been peaceful, because that is our nature. The UN is far less successful elsewhere, while Turkey may have a great military tradition, it is not as refined as a country like Israel.

The "Greekness" of things is normal, so too the "Turkishness" of the island dwellers. Interestingly, even in this Forum, there is the warm exchange of this understanding, even with the ultimate isolation of these two communities from each other. What will be the difference if your neighbours origins are Russian, English, Asian, or Cypriot. All people crave their liberty. They unite in Government to put order to this desire for self determination, and good government is sovereign in protecting these basic rights.

A Greek or a Turk may be at odds over this territory, which they both seek toward exploiting its wealth. But in the case of Cyprus, we have allowed this personal identity to take a place in the nature of our governance.

The original experiment was for a State, and a bi-communal body which provided to each community the opportunity to provide for themselves the services they had a right to. The experiment failed, and its failing was in no small part caused by the Nationalistic ambition of those who had not yet realised the value of their opportunity for an expression which was unique, distinctive, and diverse, as it was their own.

This is not an issue of whether people who are Turcophone want or don't want to live with Grecophones. It is a question of what is right, and what sustains the betterment of the Human Condition. Truly, we the living will suffer whatever the change, or we will suffer waiting. In sacrifice, I ask, what stops us from uniting as a people, except the bond we have to our personal identity as "Turks" or "Greeks". Are we not Human?

So we can argue amongst ourselves the fine details, but if we stand divided, it is at our own peril.

Can the island be repopulated, as I have proposed in other threads?
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Cyprus: three goverments, One capital and Free.

[repulsewarrior]

Thursday, September 15, 2016
‘Dream solution’ of a federal Cyprus
http://cyprus-mail.com/2016/09/15/dream ... al-cyprus/


...we are near a solution, we hope at least.

...wish I was there, Mr. Alper; I hope to be reading about the lecture in any case, hope it is well received.

...indeed, Cyprus is the template, where, if perfect, its emulation in Turkey, another country in need of Constitutional reform, in need of a solution like a BBF, would be enriching. One Flag flies highest in Turkey, where one does not imagine a Turkey broken apart. One Flag in Cyprus, likewise on the same basis. Cypriot Constituencies can exist within a Federal Republic, at another level of Government, Turkish Constituencies in the same manner can exist, too.

...minority rights, what a majority means, and the willingness to defend each other without distinction or discrimination as a whole, all have to be defined, (in Cyprus). Along with the words Freedom and Libert(ies)y, State and Nation(s), Individual and Person(s), Equality and Equal(s), quite beyond Left and Right, or "Greek" and "Turk", there is, a Cypriot way which when realised one hopes all Humanity will gain from its clarity; an end to the Problem, meanings for these words held in high esteem, and engaged.

[repulsewarrior]

Sunday, October 18, 2020
Tatar says ‘TRNC’s freedom’ must be respected, Akinci takes swipe at Ankara (Update 3)
https://cyprus-mail.com/2020/10/18/tata ... -update-3/


...it is a good day for Cyprus. Cypriots, Turkish Cypriots still represent about half the population in the occupied territories, despite the meddling in their elections by the mythic "motherland" (read: Erdogan).

...who is Akinci, in any case, a Cypriot? He had many chances, from the day he was elected to demonstrate this fact; perhaps they have chosen very wisely.

Indeed, the result was not the one expected; by the numbers Akinci should have won. This demonstrates, to me, even more clearly what is to be done. A Leader of Cypriots, Turkish or Greek, cannot sit on the fence, as Akinci continued to do in face of his isolation by and from those for "Turkishness".

...Turkish Cypriots want some form of self-representation, this much is also clear.

I ask, where are the other Cypriot Constituencies?

Who, as Individuals cannot stand with other Cypriots, for Cyprus, to defend the Universal Principals on which such a notion is based?

...who as Constituencies, as Persons, have needs any different (either)?

If splitting the island in two, is not what Bicommunal and Bizonal mean; what do they mean?

So far, our Leadership has not demonstrated their commitment to finding answers to these questions. This will change because the youth do not see dogma, like "Greekness" or "Turkishness" suitable models, what with their lifestyles and concerns. Only as Cypriots can they enjoy this island Free, to be good stewards toward it.

Only as a People, can Cypriots enjoy the Liberty of nurturing beyond that, as people, their distinct identities.

Tatar, is now the President of a so called country already sullied by its only promoter as an impotent title.

The opposition to it will regroup only stronger, given that the existential threat to Cypriots has increased.

...i am hopeful.

[repulsewarrior]

...i wonder if this will get published (it is being moderated); reply to John Aziz Kent Kent

...well said.

Cypriots want most of all a President who thinks of them as Cypriots: Individuals without further distinction or discrimination, his values based on the Universal Principles which are the foundation of our Basic Human Rights, who has the courage and conviction to end this/the corruption we are suffering.

...a BBF demands as well Cypriot Constituencies so that as Persons (and their leadership) we can express toward each other the same respect and trust as such, majorities demonstrating their Goodwill, and Goodfaith, by recognisng and providing for the special needs of minorities living among them.

...i ask where is the Greek Constituency, if there is a Republic and the desire for a Turkish Constituency?

Indeed Turkey would learn a lot from us if as Cypriots we joined to ''be'' Cypriots, to fight the "Turkishness" that threatens our very existence today and "Greekness" which remains undefeated, exposing them as one in the same, (consider the "Russians" and the Ukrainians who would not let Russian children learn their mother tongue i call "Ukrainians"; what makes them different to "Turks", or "Greeks"?): what is good for Cyprus, as Constitutional reform goes, is good for Turkey (and Ukraine) too, if you think about it..

cheers.

https://cyprus-mail.com/2023/03/16/our- ... 6140442979