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[repulsewarrior]

Sunday, September 12, 2021
Details of a BBF are what will get the Cyprus problem solved, British High Commissioner says
https://cyprus-mail.com/2021/09/12/deta ... oner-says/


"...unity in Cyprus, unity in Turkey too.

What of the State, who it represents; not Persons, Individuals as equals without further discrimination or distinction.

...the same, in Turkey, and in Cyprus, in any country which respects the Universal Principals on which our Human condition is based; this is Freedom. And what, at another level of government, of Liberty, as majorities and as Persons having the capacity to demonstrate Goodwill toward the minorities that live among us with respect and recognition by providing for their special needs as well.

It is hopeful that such a notion could thrive, a BBF in Cyprus, worthy of its emulation wherever the Problem appears.

...and let's not forget Erdogan's own deadline, if he is to make a Legacy for himself in History judged great; should he succeed in bringing to Turkey's Centennial in two years a Constitution for Turkey, which unites its People now torn by the same "Turkishness" which has left Cyprus's people torn apart decades."

...worth repeating.

[repulsewarrior]

Tuesday, March 06, 2018
The waters of common sense
http://cyprus-mail.com/2018/03/04/waters-common-sense/

...a Communal Chamber opened with its Greek Representatives waiting is a real step to demonstrate such Goodwill, fantasy perhaps, a return to what has not in effect changed. And with the empty seats in the Legislature filled, a return to the Constitution of 1960, as Cypriots; to reform themselves.

...but how? (my opening joke, lol)

Indeed, Mr. Alper, i thank-you for saying it like it is. One God.

One Flag, One Country, One Turkey, One Cyprus, not hard to understand.

Yet, it is in Cyprus where Turkey may find a solution to its own Problem.

Bicommunal or Bizonal do not mean tearing Cyprus (or Turkey) in two. And Turkish or "Turk", as they are divided now, in Cyprus and Turkey; it is not possible to be both, is it? Cypriots may lead united, that Turkey may follow.

Why not a Cypriot identity? Greek, Turkish, Armenian, Maronite, Latin?

Why not Cypriot Constituencies? At least that possibility, like the Turkish Constituency, a representation of Individuals as Persons, an electorate closer to their tax payments, respectfully as a majority with an agenda, providing for, and recognising the special needs of minorities among them.

Given the 'overwhelmingness' of English in this world, given the benefits of diversity, and in defending the ethnosphere's demise, i suggest other Constituencies will follow, it is natural, in Cyprus (and in Turkey), beyond the Good Government of a strong State which must exist, based not on Geneology or (a single) Nation as such, but on Universal Principals, (and merit), Cypriots, as Cypriots, for Cyprus and Cypriots.

I remind Mr. Erdogan (and Mr. Akinci), that while he works so hard to make a Legacy out of "Turkishness", Turkey is not "Turkish", as it is in Cyprus, not "Greek". That while there is a brotherhood among Muslims which he may applaud, there is a Family much larger where by, the way, his loving nature is serving more greatly.

[repulsewarrior]

...and the Turkish Army, will they support the CMP with facts? It is decades now that they withhold the information that this Committee has pleaded for.

...let's not forget who was murdered and made to disappear. It was not the "Turks" or "Greeks" but Cypriots, who fell victim to their bloody mindedness.

...another comment which i wonder if it will be published.

https://cyprusscene.com/2022/02/15/trnc ... pport-cmp/

[repulsewarrior]

Monday, February 21, 2022
The future of Cyprus
https://cyprus-mail.com/2022/02/20/the- ... of-cyprus/



...i will remind the author that both Canada and the USA are BBFs.

And, i suggest in Cyprus that in that regard "Greeks" and "Turks" are no different, both representing their electorate as Persons, representing Nations.

Yet, what of the Individual? What of the State?

Here is the Problem; that such representation for Cypriots does not exist effectively: affectively Cypriots Greek and Turkish have no representation as Individuals split as they are.

Let's not forget the mothers of those missing and found dead who remind us that while the "Greeks" and "Turks" were busy in their murderous sprees, they were never busy killing each other, but those not ''them''.

...so it is, that Cypriots must seek each other out; crossing the line explicitly to stand as one, to retake the word 'enosis' and to give it a Cypriot meaning, to take our swords out to fill them with meat so that in making souvla we can share it on our beaches under the Flag that ''they'' treat as a rag, and which is the only one which is in fact 'ours'.

[repulsewarrior]

...consider "Turkishness" and what it has done to divide Turkey between its Turks, and "Turks". Consider "Greekness" and what it did, dividing Cyprus in two. Why should we expect "Russianness" to be any different for the Russian speaking world?

Putin is not the better man with his cowardly lies calling the rest of the world no better than him; (who aspires to 'being' like Putin). If it were true, the world looking for heroes, it would be clear by now how great he is. And to his own People, not feared, but loved.

...real life, is far more complex than the simplistic dogmas authoritarians seek to define, not for their superiority actually, but for their supremacy, over "us" (read: the rest of us).

https://globalvoices.org/2022/02/26/wha ... t-ukraine/

[repulsewarrior]

'' "Greek Cyprus" as Mr. Tatar describes it is as yet a dream, because, in Cyprus, there is a Republic, dysfunctional perhaps, which represents all its Citizens, as Individuals, as Cypriots, and a Turkish Constituency, promoting its distinct identity, representing its electorate as Persons, (which has no equal given that there is no Greek Constituency, per se), and as Turkish speaking.

Cypriots exist, they are never less than half of Mr. Tatar's constituents, and it is no different outside of his constituency. So it should be, i think, despite the misery "Greeks" and "Turks" have foisted on these people, Cypriots are Cypriots after decades, this much does not change.

...in the Ukraine today, Russians fight "Russians", and it's not hard to understand why, "being" Ukrainians.

It is something i imagine Mr Tatar understands is natural, for Cypriots too.

...where is the Greek Constituency, Mr Tatar should ask, for the Constitutional reforms Cypriots need, for a BBF to fructify, (e.g. Canada or the USA), if it is Freedom, and Liberty, he is looking for.''

https://cyprusscene.com/2022/03/04/tata ... nc-rights/

...another comment where i wonder if it will get published.

[repulsewarrior]

...what is the undeniable and inherent fact is the we are all Cypriots, those of us which choose to be loving as Cypriots toward each other, and, toward each other those who choose to be no different with their dogma and their hateful spite "Turkish" and "Greek".

I do not forget who died when "their" murderous ways found expression; it was not each other for the most part, in any case, but those not "them", those Cypriot, Turkish or Greek.

Indeed, i ask, where is the Greek Constituency that is an equal in the service it provides, like a Turkish Constituency, among Cypriot Constituencies; are we not Bicommunal, are we not Bizonal?

...where is such representation as Persons, as a Majority nurturing a distinct identity by demonstrating to the Minorities living among them their capacity at Goodwill and Good Faith.

Indeed where is the representation all Cypriots need, as Individuals, as Cypriots, where without further discrimination or distinction, they may defend the Universal Principles on which their State is founded.

...a Turkish state and its equal(s) is only part of the Problem. Let us also not forget that many lives are being lost for "This", in Turkey, too. Such a notion as a BBF is not anathema to Turks as a People. A State, (like Canada or the USA); and at another level of Government states. People in Turkey are Turks, not all as people are "Turks". Turkish Constituencies, like Cypriot Constituencies are actually not hard to understand because they exist, taken in this context. And it is something to think about.

I ask Mr. Tatar to consider, not as the leader of a Turkish speaking people, but as a Statesman, how far he may take them, (and us), if it were that as Cypriots Greek Cypriots would join him in a union, where, whether as Individuals or as Persons, they stand for values which as Human beings they all share.

https://cyprusscene.com/2022/03/08/tata ... he-island/

[repulsewarrior]

Thursday, November 22, 2012
Cyprus :: new peace plan being reported on simerini - Page 2
http://www.cyprus-forum.com/cyprus39405-10.html#p736996

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...there has to be one State. Cyprus, its Heritance is too valuable to be dismissed. Cyprus has never been divided, it is an island after-all.

let us not forget that we will be dead soon enough and that what is natural is change. so let us imagine in two hundred years, or one hundred years or fifty, to be realistic. if you imagine a population of twelve million, i'll agree; do the math. do you imagine a population by demographics quite different, scary huh? embrace the future, you may resist, but you will fail thinking that time stops; and that things are perfect the way they are.

...Cyprus needs a perfect government if you will. it must serve its Citizens, without any discrimination or distinction, all are equals. it must be able to express and demonstrate the will of this People toward Universal Principals having the aim to better them. and yet this expression of an Identity is not enough because we are Individuals, but not only, as Persons we seek Self-Representation as well. Bicommunal is not new, and such a course in Cyprus serves a very complex ethnography, it is up to the Greeks, indeed, they are an overwhelming majority, to decide what course Cyprus shall take, and representing themselves internally through a Constituency, does not prevent them, as Cypriots, their voice within a greater whole.

the debate is flawed, it serves the interests of the Nationalists amongst us who would foresake anything else, other than their own Community interests. this vision is better served within their respective Communities, if in the infrastructure they provide, it accomodates accordingly the minorities living amongst them. The State, on the other hand, should neither be Greek or Turkish, it is Cypriot.

you want peace...

...where is the Greek Constituency?

[repulsewarrior]

Sunday, March 13, 2022
Our View: Cyprus must reconsider its position on sending gas through Turkey
https://cyprus-mail.com/2022/03/12/our- ... gh-turkey/


...it is a hopeful sign, if Mr. Erdogan can come to the same table with his neighbours at the East Med. Gas Forum, much work has been done already to work collectively toward the goals they share in selling gas, drilling and exploring for it safely and rationally, as well as improving their security through trust and respect in this open dialog.

...indeed, by recognising Cyprus, and Cypriots, Mr Erdogan can have all the gas he wants. He will get a lot more than that if he allows Cypriots to "be" Cypriots, in a BBF, where in Turkey he may emulate this form of governing, with Turkish Constituencies (if there were at another level of Government, Cypriot Constituencies) in his own Reform of Turkey's Constitution.

Cyprus is the center to a lot of problems linked to the Problem.

[repulsewarrior]

Indeed, if the gas is piped from Cyprus to Turkey it will be piped through a Constituency that is Turkish.

...it is up to Mr. Tatar frankly, if he is willing to recognise the half of his own electorate that are Cypriot, if he recognises the Cypriots, half of which are not "Greeks" who want the same representation, as Individuals, as Cypriots, and as equals without the need for further distinction and/or discrimination, because as Persons, in any part of Cyprus, minorities are treated with respect in any Cypriot Constituency by its majority. Such a way brings hope to all of us, in Cyprus, the rest of the world, in Turkey torn among its People too, and now in the Ukraine. Such is the way of the BBF.

...one hopes that Mr. Tatar dares to see a bigger picture. It is a lasting Legacy, not folly, for any leader who commits themselves to such audacity, its true the risks for him, are enormous; yet it may be time, the world needs it, at the root of the Problem, (his) Cyprus needs it, Cyprus makes the best example.

https://cyprusscene.com/2022/03/18/pres ... ough-trnc/

...if it gets published, that would be nice.