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[repulsewarrior]

Saturday, June 06, 2020
Akinci calls for clarity over checkpoint openings

https://cyprus-mail.com/2020/06/06/akin ... -openings/


...sorry, just to be more accurate tuoskrut; Tengri may be Turkish, and a Turk, but, being for "Turkishness", the dogma that has torn Cyprus apart for decades, and is now tearing Turkey itself apart, he is more accurately described, to be clear, as a "Turk". Turks are not like him.

...as a matter of fact, from a Cypriot point of view it is easy to say that "Greeks" and "Turks" are not different, they are the same, given how different they are to "us", those of us, Greek and Turkish.

Indeed, with the coming election in the occupied territories, who will win?

...so far, in Cyprus, it is not "them".

[repulsewarrior]

Wednesday, July 29, 2015
Gwynne Dyer: Cyprus is still divided—but maybe not for much longer
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I would like to remind Mr. Dyer that Canada is also a Bicommunal Bizonal Federation, so is the USA for that matter. If Cypriots are refused "the right" to be recognised as Cypriots, without any further discrimination or distinction, any solution that is proposed which makes them "Greeks", and "Turks" will be rejected.

I would like to remind Mr. Dyer, that Cypriots exist. Koray Basdogrultmaci and Cinel Senem Husseyin fought long and hard for this respect and recognition from the regime which claims to represent them, and who charged them, first with an act that was not illegal (flying the Flag of Cyprus), then for disturbing the peace, then for sedition. The Flag of Cyprus, like Cyprus exists, Cypriots exist, even in the north, now; thanks to them, they had to insist though.

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That federation would comprise a federal government with a single international personality, along with a Turkish Cypriot constituent state and a Greek Cypriot constituent state, which would be of equal status.

...count them Mr. Dyer, (at least three governing bodies make up a BBF). You are suggesting that what is illegal and against the Universal Principals all Humanity respects, is a good idea (by dividing "them" in two). Yes, let's ignore the fact that in Canada, Canadians can vote as Canadians, whether there are Constituencies in Canada or not. In your Cyprus, it is Cypriots, as Cypriots that are being marginalised, for the sake I might add, of the very same "Greeks", and "Turks", the other half as i like to call them, who are the cause of the impasse, as much as the infamy. They, the people of Cyprus, are not "Turks", and the rest of them called "Greeks", they are Cypriots, the victims in this tragedy; picking sides is pure hypocrisy, because it is the "This" which must stop.

http://www.straight.com/news/498946/gwy ... e=#comment

[repulsewarrior]

https://cyprusscene.com/2021/08/12/mara ... -solution/

Maraş, a just Solution?

"…i am sorry, you are mistaken. If it were true, Greek Cypriots would not have stayed in their homes; lacking support the coup failed two days later.

…it is something to think about. That while the “Greeks” and “Turks” were about in their murderous waves, they did not set out to kill each other, but mostly those not “them”, Cypriots for “being” Cypriot.

The Cyprus Problem is not as simple as both “Greeks” and “Turks” would have you believe; ask the other half who are Cypriot: they are the ones in my mind whose Heroes we should respect."

[Lordo]

Has anybody got the mentioned plan called "Ifestos Plan". Do GC not believe in writing anything down. it took them 8 years to tell the wrold about Akritas plan, how long do we have to wait to see this plan then?

[repulsewarrior]

Wednesday, January 11, 2017
Column: ‘Without Cyprus, Turkey would drown’
https://www.middleeastobserver.org/2017/01/08/28940/


...we cannot forget who were murdered, and who were made to disappear in Cyprus; not "Greek", not "Turkish", for the most part, although most certainly dead at the hands of one, they died for "being" Cypriot. And, despite the efforts to dismiss such a notion, after decades, Cypriots remain, Cypriots Greek, and Cypriots Turkish, still exist, the other half as i like to say; it is something to think about.

...worst is the outcome of a Cyprus divided; a Cyprus divided, is a Turkey divided. Indeed, Turkey drowns, without an end to the Problem; one Flag in Turkey is easy to understand, with one Flag in Cyprus. Here, in Cyprus, exists the germ of the idea that will make a "new Turkey", one Turkey, its Constitutional reform, a State, (a BBF), Freedom, and, for these Citizens as Persons, Liberty; within Turkey, Turkish Constituencies. Easy to accept, being Turkey's National issue, for its majority, if there is a lasting Peace with its 'minorit(ies)y'.

...dividing Cyprus is like asking Solomon to divide a living child; nothing good can come of it.

Turkey is "but one"; this can be true on many levels: also something to think about.

[repulsewarrior]

Thursday, December 23, 2010
Christofias: no solution without unity
http://www.cyprus-mail.com/cyprus/chris ... ment-55325

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"That federation would comprise a federal government with a single international personality, along with a Turkish Cypriot constituent state and a Greek Cypriot constituent state, which would be of equal status."

...so much we know: a federal government, a Turkish Cypriot constituent state and a Greek Cypriot constituent state; count them, three.

Should we accept that Bicommunal means Unity as Individuals, (equals as such without distinction, as a State), while as Persons we sustain in two (or more) National Assemblies an identity as Majorities (who recognise and respect the special needs of the minorities amongst them)?

This infrastructure can be provided island wide if "enclaves" were introduced to the political geography of today, spotting the whole island, so that it would be possible to return at least some of the displaced as they were forced to leave, as communities; this would be Bizonal: a State Sovereign, and territorial Jurisdictions.

No, we cannot let Turkey retain control of an agenda which divides us as "Greeks" and "Turks" because our responsibilities are to the greater Family of Mankind and the Universal Principals which as Humans, as Cypriots, we seek to better.

[repulsewarrior]

Saturday, July 08, 2006
Political Tendencies Of Turkish Cypriots
http://www.talkcyprus.org/forum/viewtop ... 3760#63760


Language with culture is an internal manner of the State.

The exclusivity we enjoyed being "Greek" or being "Turkish", in isolation, has evolved to become but a facet of our modern lives. Yet un-naturally isolated from each other, we face our inclusion in an organised European political sphere, conflicted.

When we appreciate our need for representation as a sovereign people, individuals, as equals in our abilities, and as founding partners, our representation externally will be welcoming to the nations we serve with.

I have suggested a geographic (jewels, the Cantons, scattered across the whole island), and a political framework which allows for our tremendous growth, as a crossroad between three continents, as well as providing for the Humanitarian needs of our situation. It allows for the resettlement of tens, if not hundreds of thousands of people, as migrants or as communities, who have, all these years, lived in an unending limbo, without disrupting the fabric of these two communities.

Our future in Europe now depends on our abilities in competition with other states to evolve from two homogenous populations, to a confluence of people.

In my mind Turkish Cypriots have shown themselves to be prepared to accept a unified state, toward maximising their position internationally. However, it is still necessary for "Greek Cypriots" to recogonise that their identity, as a community, needs its expression, like their counterparts, to be a reflection of their unity, another side of the same coin, if you will, out side the context of the Republic of Cyprus, so that while we live within our own communities, it is free to serve in our defense as individuals.

...not much has changed; those who see the faces as important, those who see the coin's value.

[repulsewarrior]

Thursday, August 26, 2021
Anastasiades: Tatar contradicting own rhetoric in passport response (updated)
https://cyprus-mail.com/2021/08/25/anas ... 5508489156


...it's good news if the President continues this debate by speaking to Cypriots not as a Greek, nor Turkish, but a Leader who can demonstrate a commitment to the value of Universal Principals, which as Cypriots we all hold dear.

...indeed, if he can define a "Turk", let him expose "Greekness" too, because they exist, and they are no different to each other; witness what "they" have done to 'us'.

I am hopeful that such a challenge will see both communities sitting in the Chamber meant for their needs so that they present them in unanimity. And the Legislature, open and complete, to represent us as Individuals rather than as Persons. In acting as a BBF, as such, securing the Constitutional reform 'we' as Cypriots are seeking.

...let us also remember that there is a deadline for Erdogan, the greatness in History he wants to build as a Legacy, because in two years there are elections, along with Turkeys Centennial. Let us also remember that Turkey is torn now, more than ever, by the same "Turkishness" which has torn Cyprus apart decades, and which as a dogma also threatens all the rest of us, being "others".

Cypriots, those of us who see the Problem differently, as "Greeks"/"Turks" against Greeks/Turks (read: Cypriot), are a powerful force actually, representing at least half of the population, anyway it is counted, as electorates. 'We' are not few. And in that regard the 'enosis' that's needed, are these People to express themselves, simply, peacefully, by having picnics on their beaches under the Flag rightfully theirs (actually the equal to Turkey's); who would be opposed to that?

..not Erdogan, i think, his challenges beg for it, don't you think? What would be better for him than 'us' standing united, as Cypriots, with something to emulate in Turkey's own Constitutional reform; this notion of a BBF?

[repulsewarrior]

Monday, March 30, 2015
Gallipoli centenary marks another snub for Turkish minorities
http://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/origina ... her-m.html


Erdogan is a "Turk", he is no Turk.

...Istanbul is no longer the cosmopolitan city it was before his ilk. Let's remember what it is compared to what it was, and what it will become if this man has his way, becoming a Caliphate and him its "Protector"; even Turks will not be welcome if they are not "Turkish" enough.

The Flag of Turkey represents a People United toward defending the Universal Principals all Men hold in high esteem. Men like this one see it to their benefit to divide us. Ataturk would not be proud, the rest of us also struggle with this shame. Without the recognition that Turkey's strength is founded on its diversity, this movement toward "Turkishness" tarnishes the reputation of a great People who will still struggle for Freedom despite this Leadership.

If "Turks" want to celebrate their Heroes, perhaps in Turkey, like in Cyprus where they demand the existence of a Greek Constituency, a Turkic Constituency could exist. If in Turkey, a set of Turkish Constituencies existed, this need for People as Persons to express themselves can be secured. Turkey is not "Turkish", exactly in the same way Cyprus is not "Greek".

Turkey in affect has the same Problem. Its "Turks" must recognise something bigger, as Turks.

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