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[repulsewarrior]

Friday, April 07, 2006
Land Use, occupation and ownership.
Cyprus bicommunal discussion and chat forum : Detain Me Next Time Too:
http://www.talkcyprus.org/forum/viewtop ... 3496#53496


Cyprus will become a multi ethnic community, even if it continues with its impasse.

Kifeas has a point. Under any other circumstance, in any other country, the Turcophone people would be a minority, with such due consideration, the limit of the States generousity.

However, Cyprus was, and still remains an experiment in geo-politics. Other countries, who gained their sovereignty, immediately following our own, are in worse shape, with their populations facing horrible suffering from the effects of indebtedness, and warfare. I like to think that the last thirty years have been peaceful, because that is our nature. The UN is far less successful elsewhere, while Turkey may have a great military tradition, it is not as refined as a country like Israel.

The "Greekness" of things is normal, so too the "Turkishness" of the island dwellers. Interestingly, even in this Forum, there is the warm exchange of this understanding, even with the ultimate isolation of these two communities from each other. What will be the difference if your neighbours origins are Russian, English, Asian, or Cypriot. All people crave their liberty. They unite in Government to put order to this desire for self determination, and good government is sovereign in protecting these basic rights.

A Greek or a Turk may be at odds over this territory, which they both seek toward exploiting its wealth. But in the case of Cyprus, we have allowed this personal identity to take a place in the nature of our governance.

The original experiment was for a State, and a bi-communal body which provided to each community the opportunity to provide for themselves the services they had a right to. The experiment failed, and its failing was in no small part caused by the Nationalistic ambition of those who had not yet realised the value of their opportunity for an expression which was unique, distinctive, and diverse, as it was their own.

This is not an issue of whether people who are Turcophone want or don't want to live with Grecophones. It is a question of what is right, and what sustains the betterment of the Human Condition. Truly, we the living will suffer whatever the change, or we will suffer waiting. In sacrifice, I ask, what stops us from uniting as a people, except the bond we have to our personal identity as "Turks" or "Greeks". Are we not Human?

So we can argue amongst ourselves the fine details, but if we stand divided, it is at our own peril.

Can the island be repopulated, as I have proposed in other threads?
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Cyprus: three goverments, One capital and Free.

[repulsewarrior]

Saturday, August 15, 2015
GLOBAL FAITHS: Cyprus an imbroglio of politics, religion
http://www.goshennews.com/news/lifestyl ... 269b0.html


...the story of Cyprus is far older than the Ottoman Empire, during which, under its rule of over 350 years, it became, and remained a backwater, a barrack with services, until its Independence in 1960, which at least with self-representation brought an infrastructure of asphalt roads, electricity, across the island, as well as drinking water, for everyone, safe and clean from civil works, which had never existed before.

...more accurately the dispute is between "Turks", and those not "Turks" (read: "Greeks"); what of the other Cypriot Constituencies, the Maronites, Armenians, and Latins, they too, as Persons have the same and equal needs. What of the dwellers who choose to identify themselves as Cypriots, first? The Cyprus Problem is a Turkish Problem. More accurately Greeks as a population have been Cyprus' overwhelming majority for thousands of years, and as Individuals they deserve the respect and recognition as Cypriots to vote as Cypriots, to live as Cypriots, in Cyprus, and around the world, to be identified as Cypriot, whether within Cyprus there are more than one, or many, distinct identities or not. (What is missing is a Greek Constituency if we are talking BBF, there exists a Republic, and a Turkish Constituency with no equal(s).)

...any agreement which denies Cypriots the Right to vote and to live Freely in Cyprus, as Cypriots will not pass. In Politics, as in Religion, there is no Muslim God, or Jewish God, or any array of Christian God. Cyprus like God exists, Cypriots deserve better, a bit of Solomon's wisdom rather than tearing the baby in two.

[repulsewarrior]

Wednesday, February 17, 2016
Stand up for federalism
http://in-cyprus.com/stand-up-for-federalism/


...a well written opinion, worthy of thought, worth reading.

I stress the commitment made by Koray Basogrultmacı and Cinel Senem Husseyin, to fly the Flag of Cyprus outside their shop in Famagusta. More of us should demonstrate the same commitment, in the same way. It is "legal" now to fly this flag anywhere on the island, because of them.

What of our Leadership, when they glance out their window, what is the message we the people send to them, without this pride? If we love this island, if we are its steward, we must be willing to defend each other for this cause. We are not "Greeks" or "Turks" in that regard, we are Cypriots.

Time has come, after more than fifty years of Turkish Foreign Policy, and its failure with the Annan Plan, Cypriots still have the hope that their voice will be heard, like anywhere else in the world, they seek to measure themselves as Individuals, based on merit. Whether a set of Cypriot Constituencies exist or not, at another level of Government, this Liberty, for Persons, does not compare to Freedom, or the Universal Principals, the identity "Cypriot" represents, without further distinction or discrimination.

It is up to us, to fly that flag, the Flag of Cyprus, higher, now. It is what our leaders need to see beyond themselves as federal citizens too. It is up to us to fly that flag, the Flag of Cyprus, so that we can see beyond ourselves, doing so, we do not stand alone.

[repulsewarrior]

Re: Varosha to reopen?
Postby repulsewarrior » Mon Jul 01, 2019 12:41 am
cyprus46861-10.html?hilit=famagusta

...Cypriots believe this erolz.

Witness the Missing Persons Committee (Association of Relatives of Missing Persons and Victims of War “TOGETHER WE CAN”); they, are not "Greeks", or "Turks", and despite the decades they continue to pursue this cause, that Cypriots should be remembered for who they are, and that Cypriots, in all of "this" are not forgotten.

Witness the gathering, for Varosha, neither "Turkish", or "Greek", just a few days past. What were the youth of Cyprus, but Heroes, (Greeks against "Greeks" defending Turks,) having repelled the Elam blight that came to "politicise" the event, and failed. Indeed, what better way to expose "them", but with the Flag of Cyprus, and a gathering of people under it, as Cypriots.

"Being" Cypriot, may be a peasant kind of thing, i guess, coming from a "mixed" village, i don't know about city life. And even as a young person at sixteen, i knew who to avoid, where to avoid, because i was not a "Greek" (or a "Turk"), which left me exposed to (both) "their" Judgement. Such was the complexities of growing up hopeful (and male) as a Cypriot in the years just before '74. And, i may add, despite being torn apart, once a year as a village 'we' gather all these years. I digress from the subject but my hope is that my experience may be helpful in your own struggle with what "Cypriot" means.

...i wonder in our search for those to blame, how many are lost to us who are true Heroes; that despite "this" saved lives.

[repulsewarrior]

Wednesday, February 24, 2016
The birth of federal Cyprus
http://cyprus-mail.com/2016/02/21/the-b ... 2533581949


...fact is that the overwhelming majority on the island is not "Turkish". What was "Turkish", by the Treaty of Lausanne, became "British". Cyprus now, is "Cypriot".

Although, you may feel it is unfortunate that the dwellers of this island speak mostly Greek, it has been the case for thousands of years. In any case, to survive, in the Modern world, and to thrive beyond, Cypriots know better than to count on their "Greekness", or their "Turkishness", to secure success in the efforts they make toward social-exchange, particularly with the rest of the world. Cypriots need more than the Liberty of representing themselves as distinct identities, they need for their Freedom, an identity as Individuals, where they can demonstrate their unity as such, toward Universal Principals.

"You" must trust the others, "they" must respect you: such is the way of the world. While there exists a Greek Flag, and a Turkish Flag, so too, there exists a Cypriot Flag; above all else, let's remember, we are Human beings by acting accordingly.

[repulsewarrior]

Friday, February 22, 2019
'Greek Cypriots not contributing to Cyprus issue'

https://www.thepeninsulaqatar.com/artic ... prus-issue


While there is disagreement over what was said, what is clear is that Cypriots Turkish and Greek understand that the benefits of an end to the Problem, as Cypriots, far outweighs what either "Turkishness" and/or "Greekness" has to offer, (or has offered).

...one Flag, one Country, one State, is easy enough to understand in Turkey, so too in Cyprus.

I believe that if for "Turkishness" Cyprus is divided, Turkey accordingly will divide.

Cyprus united may not be what "Turks" want, but it offers Hope to the rest of Turkey's population who are Turkish, and not "Turkish". Let's not forget that while Cyprus is very small, despite its dysfunction, it is a formidable adversary, which after decades of Turkey's occupation, does not submit, continues to prosper, and exist. Let's not forget that Cyprus on many occasions demonstrated its willingness to support Turkey as an equal, notably in sponsoring Turkey's application for membership when it was originally presented to the EU. Imagine, what it would mean to the Eastern Mediterranean if instead Cyprus and Turkey were allies and friends?

...with a small change in intentions, Mr. Erdogan may prove to be a great man, leaving a Legacy that makes Turkey worthy of emulation and esteem. Cyprus remains a key to this success. Let's not forget that what has divided Cyprus, for decades, now divides Turkey, because "Turkishness" rather than Turkey comes first.

[repulsewarrior]

Sener Levent is a Hero, as Cypriots go.

Who is against his thinking, not Turkish Cypriots or Greek Cypriots, that's for sure, but by those who are "Cypriot Turks", and the "Greeks" who are no different; by "being" Cypriot he is their bane.

https://cyprus-mail.com/2020/12/30/meps ... er-levent/

[repulsewarrior]

Cypriots can expect nothing from their Leadership if they are unwilling as Cypriots, the People, to express themselves, as such, for change. Such as it is 'we', as a Humanity, are supposedly committed to defending Universal Principals, yet divided as we are as "Greeks" and "Turks", this notion has been silenced. Silenced no more, one would expect, that people of good sense would gather together as one. One would expect the People to act.

...i ask, who treats the Flag of Cyprus as a rag? Ask yourself.

Who would be exposed against them, if Citizens gathered peacefully under the Flag of Cyprus, in mass demonstration, anywhere on the island; why not? It would be nice to see Patriots express a sentiment rarely expressed; together: that they love this island, not "Nation" but Cyprus coming first. And now, where Erdogan has "picnics" in Varosha, is that the line just a little too far; where all Cypriots are offended?

It is as simple as that, Cypriots too, have picnics. For Cyprus, indeed after decades of unnaturally being torn apart, still about half vote as Cypriots; not as a "Turk" or a "Greek" (because "they" have their own candidates), let's not forget. It is moments like these, where people may express this truth more clearly. In effect Leadership needs this message; if they could not lookout their windows and their cars without seeing a Flag of Cyprus somewhere.

...Cypriots exist.

https://cyprus-mail.com/2021/01/02/pres ... -in-talks/

[repulsewarrior]

…ask, “where is the Greek Constituency?”; that is what is missing, (if we are living in a Cypriot State,) an equal to a Turkish Constituency.

While Mr. Tatar leads by a majority, let him remember, and us never to forget, that despite the unnatural divide, about half the voters whether “Turkish” or “Greek”, see themselves as Cypriots, despite the decades where they are being denied this, their Identity.

Cypriot Constituencies could exist, if as majorities with their Agenda, they recognise the minorities that live among them by providing also for their special needs. A strong Central Government is not anathema to Persons seeking Liberty. (witness the USA, and Canada; both BBFs); but, as Individuals securing their Freedom as well.

…Mr.Tatar, if he is wise, and if he is a Statesman, must know that a Cyprus divided, means a Turkey divided. And that a Cyprus re-united means Hope for many, regionally speaking, and world-wide. What “Turkishness” has done to Cyprus by dividing it between its “Turks” and the “others”, now divides Turkey herself. While Mr Anastasiades will likely by a most difficult adversary he too, is Cypriot.

https://cyprusscene.com/2021/01/04/tata ... ic-dreams/

[repulsewarrior]

''While you are quite correct to state that the definition of a BBF is vague, it is the model on which many countries, like the USA and Canada are based.

...what is the "bi" in these words? One is social. one geographic in context. One describes the Citizen, as an Individual and a Person, the other, by where they reside as a State and a Constituency.

Intentions count. Indeed, those "Greek" and "Turkish" in Cyprus have taken to define a Person as "them, or not "them", and holding the Agenda they have also taken to define a Cypriot on their terms. But Cypriots exist. While the Problem is their problem about half the voting public remains silenced, because as Individuals, such an Identity remains ignored in this dysfunctional limbo.

Cyprus is not "Greek". Cyprus is not "Turkish". Cyprus is Cypriot.

Indeed, Cypriots voted to "be" Cypriots in the referendum that followed the Annan Plan. And in that regard, despite its content as a plan, it was a successful demonstration of this fact.

...i do not despair. In the end it will be once again the voter who will decide, who "we" are, as much as who we will be. In the mean time I hope this summer, and spring, that the People, despite their Leadership, expose "Them", by expressing themselves as Cypriots.''

https://cyprus-mail.com/2021/01/16/our- ... 5230491008