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Re: Cypriotism (Cypriot Nationalism)

Postby repulsewarrior » Sun Jul 05, 2020 6:28 pm

Wednesday, October 08, 2014
Greek Cypriots suspend peace talks after Ankara's gas research
http://www.todayszaman.com/_greek-cypri ... 60909.html

...I recall the Turkish Flag, "seen from space", that scars a mountainside in Cyprus; says it all about "Turkishness". Why would it have been built to face the "Greeks" (of Cyprus), and not the "motherland" in gratitude?
Cyprus exists, whether Turkey wants to recognise it or not. Cypriots exist too, they are not, just "Turks", and not "Turks", they are Individuals, not just Persons. If there is to be any Justice, Turkey must act accordingly and recognise that the Flag of Cyprus flies higher, as in Turkey, it is not a "Turkish" Flag, or a "Kurdish" Flag, it represents a State where people are united in defending the Universal Principals that makes them equals (not just as Persons, but as Human beings).
...it is a good time for cooler heads to prevail, new thinking is needed; if Mr. Eroglu would be prepared to stand in front of the Flag of Cyprus, as his flag, it would not seem so unreasonable, this demand, for "his" share.
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Re: Cypriotism (Cypriot Nationalism)

Postby repulsewarrior » Thu Jul 09, 2020 6:19 pm

America like Russia have a goal, one hopes, to see the Cypriot identity overcome the dysfunction it suffers from its "Greeks" and "Turks"; what with their position in the world as a Family of Man.

AKEL has demonstrated, with the election of a Turkish Cypriot MEP, that Cypriots exist. Despite the unnatural divide between them, for decades, such an identity, "being" Cypriot has not been usurped from them yet.

Reflecting on the undue influence of interlocutors in Cyprus' affairs, i ask, who is blameless? Yet, i am hopeful because, in Cyprus, it is possible for these same governments (i.e. the Guarantors, and allies) to demonstrate that despite their differences, they are also accountable to the People, (their People, the world) and their expectations for a Rule of Law that revolves around a single Human condition, where as Individuals they have the same Freedom, without further discrimination or distinction: being equal.

AKEL can do more. As a vanguard they have already joined Cypriots, much to their credit in the Cypriot cause.

But, elections are coming soon (in the occupied north), and i wonder whether such a referendum on Cyprus, and its existence, will be done without a single attempt, from any Party, to demonstrate the unity electors may have, standing under their Flag, the Flag of Cyprus, together, for this notion, "being" Cypriot, as One. And in the coming elections for President, in the Republic itself, who as Cypriots, would they (the Parties) rally in the same cause (and how); for unity?

...of course such an exposition has its risks; in doing so, who does it expose, and what as a result is the consequence?

I imagine that such courage will not go unrewarded though; those silenced for so long will see that their intentions can be realised through their own efforts. That with the simple act of standing together with the Flag, they may identify those not "them" clearly. The notions of "Greekness", and "Turkishness" will find themselves on the same side of the table, (and at a disadvantage no longer holding the Agenda) facing their opposite, those not like "them", as such, Cypriots.

While we are divided, Cypriots will continue to live with severe doubts about the rest of the world (why this Problem has dragged on for so long); what they stand for. We leave ourselves dependent on their good values, and exposed to those that are bad. Cypriots, in any case are facilitators of exchange at the cross road to three continents. It demands from us a great deal of integrity, to be credible in such social-exchange. Cypriots are not credible if they cannot demonstrate their own existence, as a People; they will continue to be subjugated in this weakened position, existentially.

What homeland, i ask, before i ask what mission for our armed forces. In any case, nothing prevents these same soldiers learning more from other allies as well. America, like Russia, are good friends. Cyprus in fact has many friends, but one; if we unite ourselves, could we help to unite them? The Problem, let's not forget is bigger than the problems in Cyprus, although a solution, to the Cyprus Problem would offer the region (and the world) Hope.

...while America is under the Trump regime, nothing is clear as to Principal, and reason. Elections in the near future will leave it to the American People, their own fate. It is not a good time for them either.

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Re: Cypriotism (Cypriot Nationalism)

Postby repulsewarrior » Sat Jul 11, 2020 2:44 am

I wonder if Mr. Akinci realises what incredible power he has in his hands.

...that he has the power to define, not just for Cypriots, but all Turkish speaking people, who, by Erdogan's definition of "Turkishness" are something less, Hope; about half the Turkish population of Cyprus, and about half of Turkey.

...that he more than Ocalan represents the biggest threat to Turkey, as it is seen through the eyes of those who see the threat to "Turkishness" coming from all "others"; that he may be Turkish but no "Turk".

...indeed, if he were to stand under his Flag, by right, as a Cypriot, the Flag of Cyprus, what a stir that would be: who would join him, who would he expose ("Greek" and "Turkish")?

...and if he, as such, having the support of all Cypriots sat with a contemporary, a Greek Cypriot having the same support, who would they bicker (read: dialog) with but those against such a notion? (That would be change at least.)

And with the fate of Cyprus, hanging in the balance, why not, this election?

Who dares wins.

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Re: Cypriotism (Cypriot Nationalism)

Postby repulsewarrior » Sun Jul 12, 2020 6:21 am

Saturday, January 21, 2012
...it's the manifesto thingy, again
http://www.cyprus-forum.com/cyprus31695.html


Dear Mr. Ki-Moon,

My hope is that you will consider the value of my thinking now that a way ahead will be proposed that serves a family far bigger than "Greek" or "Turk". My hope is that you will not forget the rest of us who place Universal Principals first. The world needs a definition for Bicommunal, and now the word Bizonal. At 55, I have spent the greater part of my life remembering (Cyprus), not to forget, and to act accordingly. With the revolution of the Information Age, I beg you to google, or blogspot, repulsewarrior; that's me.

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That federation would comprise a federal government with a single international personality, along with a Turkish Cypriot constituent state and a Greek Cypriot constituent state, which would be of equal status.

...this much we know so far.

(at least) three governing bodies must exist for this agreement to fructify Identities for each.

In my Cyprus, the Bicommunal Bizonal Federation is defined by one Sovereign State representing me as an Individual, while there exists for these People (like me), as Persons, National Assemblies with Territorial Jurisdictions, to provide for them as Majorities a means to sustain this identity as well.

In my Cyprus, the Green Line becomes a frontier, no longer a border, because (at least for some), the displaced return as they left, as Communities. Enclaves, which pocket the whole island, offers this opportunity to Individuals by having real choices as Persons (, that will include some of the newly displaced,), with the possibility of more than two "zones" (including the needs of the Maronite and Armenian communities, Sovereignty never being a question), without tearing the fabric of the living around them, respectful to the reciprocal nature of their recognition for the special needs of the Minorities amongst them, inclusive because the diversity of each society (Turkish and Greek mostly) will expand island wide.

Cypriots rely on your abilities to remember that they may be the few in a wider complexity of the Problem, they, they need Good Governance based on the Principals of Free Association, Free Expression, Free Movement, and a Rule of Law.

Cyprus is an island. After all, it has never been but one, its Heritance dates back to the beginnings of Mankind, this wealth which is Humanity's cannot be dismissed, either.

Deciding as you will this July (now October), consider this: “Would Mr. Eroglu recognise Mr. Christofias as President of the Republic, if, Greeks as Persons were to found an equal form of self-representation as his own, separate from the Federal Government, but as distinctive (“Greek first, Turkish first”) in its leadership.”, lol.

Most Warmly, I Prey you have Good Guidance.
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Re: Cypriotism (Cypriot Nationalism)

Postby repulsewarrior » Tue Jul 14, 2020 4:47 pm

...well said.

Cypriots are not "Greek". And while the population of Cyprus is overwhelmingly Greek, let's not forget that the coup succeeded, indeed, then failed just two days later because the People did not lend their support.

What is "Greekness" is no different to "Turkishness" it seems; who treats the Flag of Cyprus as a rag?

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Re: Cypriotism (Cypriot Nationalism)

Postby repulsewarrior » Thu Jul 16, 2020 3:58 am

Wednesday, May 06, 2015
Turkey is the bad actor on Cyprus
http://thehill.com/blogs/congress-blog/ ... -on-cyprus


...I ask, is the Flag of Turkey a Turkic flag? Is the Flag of the U.S.A. a German flag (or an English flag)? What makes the Flag of Cyprus any different? These flags represent a State based on Universal Principals which they are committed to defend without distinction or discrimination. Indeed, the Flag of Cyprus is not a "Greek" flag, what of the Kurds, or the Alevi, in Turkey?

...time for Turkey to end its stagnation, to mature, to confront its own fears. Perhaps, with its own Constitutional Reforms it should consider a BBF model: one Turkey which represents its Citizens as Individuals, and at another level of Government a set of Turkish Constituencies where as electors and as Persons each sustain a distinct identity as a majority which respects and recognises the minorities that live among them by being closer to the taxes they pay.

Mr. Biden said it best when he said, "but one". Cyprus, Cypriots, exist.

Like in Turkey, Cypriots are not merely "Turks", and not "Turk" (read: "Greek"); also a truth worth remembering.

Frankly, the "Turks" in Turkey should be careful what they are asking for in Cyprus, lest in succeeding it will lead to the break-up of their own country.
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Re: Cypriotism (Cypriot Nationalism)

Postby repulsewarrior » Thu Jul 16, 2020 11:12 pm

Thursday, July 16, 2020
A Truth Commission for Cyprus?
https://cyprus-mail.com/2020/07/15/a-tr ... or-cyprus/


How many will be freed from a Truth Commission? To rest, as one never rested before, having said, "I saw this, something horrible; it is wrong and I remain silent no longer."

...this is good.

How many silently wait for such a moment?

But who with this exposure will feel its shame, Cypriots?

...certainly the victims of "Greeks" and "Turks" who for the most part were not "them", their families destroyed, murdered and made to disappear for this reason, "being" Cypriot, want Justice.

On this day of infamy my wish is that, like the families of the murdered and the missing, a Memorial at least is built to them, these Cypriots whose lives were stolen (by "others"). Indeed, their blood is on our hands if in denying this Truth, we deny the Universal Principals which demonstrate, as Individuals, and as Human beings, our Unity.

...thanks, Mr. Demetriades; interesting proposal, reasoned and easy to read.
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Re: Cypriotism (Cypriot Nationalism)

Postby repulsewarrior » Sat Jul 18, 2020 6:51 am

Thursday, February 23, 2017
Turkish FM: Turkey’s military rights still needed in Cyprus
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/eu ... a8e4e71169


...likely, (as in the United States), there will be from the Judiciary, a decision which will define the legality of this legislation, so offensive to some, in a far more profound and lasting way, for Cypriots, and a Cypriot way; so it should be, especially since, DISY, what is effectively the President's ruling Party, declined to make their vote the deciding factor by abstaining.

I suggest, to Mr. Cavusoglu if he wants to make comparisons of equals, he may consider his own Leader, Mr. Erdogan, the equal to Mr. Anastasiades, both Leaders of Countries where their Citizenship represents an ethnos, and not mono-clonal societies of "Turks", or "Greeks", where, their diversity as Persons is evident, and where recognition and respect as Individuals, beyond these Nations, must unite them in defending the Principals of their State.

...while Mr. Akinci cannot be found standing with the Flag of Cyprus in any photograph, he has the added pleasure to be representing "Turkishness", that which is not "Greekness". Mr. Anastasiades, does not have the same luxury. While he, may be representing what is called the "Greek Community" at the negotiations, he is the President of Cyprus, and as such the representative of all Cypriots.

...if Cyprus remains divided, Turkey will remain divided. A united Cyprus brings hope, and not the Army, not just in Turkey, but throughout the Eastern Mediterranean and the Middle East, where a template is sought to emulate politically. Thus, Cyprus is not "Greek", nor Turkey, "Turkish"; within these States, as BBF's, their Constituencies may find from such Constitutional Reform, Freedom better secured, without distinction or discrimination, as a Citizenship united in defending each other, and Liberty from the capacity self-representation may bring, at another level of Government, toward sustaining their distinct identities.

...what fans insecurity, is equal and opposing extremes having justified in their own thinking "victory", to do more extremes.
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Re: Cypriotism (Cypriot Nationalism)

Postby repulsewarrior » Sat Jul 18, 2020 8:42 pm

Sunday, April 10, 2016
The Catch 22 that keeps Cyprus divided
http://cyprus-mail.com/2016/04/10/the-c ... s-divided/


Just once, I would like to see Mr. Akinci stand beside the Flag of Cyprus. I would like to hear him once say, "I am Cypriot, first". Trust, and respect are needed; so too, called for.

Whether there is only one, two, three, or more Constituent states, in Cyprus, in my mind is secondary to the principal that as Cypriots, our Principals are Universal. There is one Cyprus, we are Cypriots, Greek or Turkish, Maronite or Armenian for that matter, as Persons, the need is equal, an ability to sustain these distinct identities in Liberty. Freedom is not Liberty, Freedom does not make these distinctions of ethnicity or race, gender, religion, or age, Freedom makes no distinction, or discrimination at all, Freedom is our Individual Rights, and what we as Individuals can do to defend it (them). There is no such thing as "Greek" Freedom, "Turkish" Freedom (from "Greek" Freedom) is no less a fraud, because only when we rise above our "Greekness" and our "Turkishness", is there the presence of mind to see Cyprus as Cyprus, as a Cypriot whole, and where, as Human Beings, we choose to better ourselves; the Freedom of choice, so that as Persons we thrive.

There is no equal to the Turkish Constituency, because a Greek Constituency, at this moment, (does not exist, and) sees no benefit in the self-representation that comes from it. Never the less, a Turkish Constituency can exist (and have a Territorial Jurisdiction) within the context of a set of Cypriot Constituencies, and while such a Constituency may sit alone, now, it is up to this Constituency to demonstrate its usefulness to the others, toward the future. It, is no equal to the Republic. Without this clear understanding, and a demonstration of it, the difference between, "being" a Person and/or an Individual, will remain unresolved. And the problem that is the Problem, that there is a difference between the words, Freedom and Liberty, that the Problem is not an Issue between "Greeks" and "Turks", but in defining words like, Nation, and State, will also remain.

One Flag of Turkey flies over Turkey. One Flag of Cyprus flies over Cyprus.
How is that so hard to understand?
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Re: Cypriotism (Cypriot Nationalism)

Postby repulsewarrior » Tue Jul 21, 2020 10:12 pm

Monday, February 17, 2020
I'm fucking angry......
cyprus47285-20.html#p892968


...the Problem is that Greeks allow "Greeks" to represent them, because they are against "Turks". The Problem is that Turks do the same thing to Greeks, with "Turks". The Problem is that Greeks and Turks must recognise that their adversary in this Problem are not each other, but the hateful enterprise as it exists of those "others".

...just ''be'' Cypriot, and realise that ''Greeks'' and ''Turks'' are the same; and that "they" are not Cypriot.

...we must stop labeling each other; "This" must stop.

...it has nothing to do with schools, it is a cheap excuse, or priests; it is up to you (and every one of us, accordingly).

...i have good things to say about my neighbours because i recognise that these neighbours deserve this esteem. There are neighbours, "Greek" and "Turkish" too, but why dwell on them? Who "wins" if i do that?

...and yes, a President that refuses to stand beside the Flag of Cyprus is just plain wrong to me, (especially if they are calling for Constitutional reform as well,) just like the flags on the mountain; it is from ignorance such as it is.
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