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[repulsewarrior]

...anyone with half a brain, in my village, spoke English too. Almost everyone spoke Greek, yet Turkish was also spoken (or understood); as a village, ours was labelled "mixed".

This is what i hold dear, the notion that as Cypriots we were better off in trusting each other, than under the mythic realities that seem to dominate the conversations of those who were more "Greek", or more "Turkish".

...the rest of my life has been spent fighting for the Freedom "these" people work so hard to usurp from people like in my village like my family.

Indeed, Mr. Lieberman is not better than a "Turk" when he thinks that Israel can be "pure", if he uses Cyprus as an example of how dividing People, makes "Peace". I don't know enough about him to judge frankly, the idea of swapping land seemed inviting while reading the article, until his comparison with Cyprus, as though he does not remember Putin's ugly comparison, (or do i give him too much credit,) the same comparison, a "Cyprus Solution", in Georgia; as though he does not remember how Cyprus itself became divided, or the holocaust: when one man declares himself "superior" with such thinking, (and by force).

No Liberty therefore, "Peace". No need for it either, Trust and Respect in such a world; you are or you are not one of "them" on terms that "they" decide.

...i never understood the dogma of "Greek", as something to "believe" in; i guess because i am Greek. Being Greek, it just does not make sense to me. As an Individual and as a Person, as a Citizen of the World, "Greek" is no different to "Turk" in this wider scope of things. Indeed, it would be nice to turn back the clock, as though changing things to just as they were is possible, but i think the Problem is way beyond that; we are in a fight for Freedom, and Liberty, themselves. We all have to look into ourselves, if Hate has something to do with it, to fight bigger enemies than each other (Lest we Forget); the COVID pandemic is a stunning example of this need.

Cyprus is not alone in this fight, within. In Israel, and in America, the same notions are in conflict and in affect tearing them apart, those that have chosen a "side", and in doing so ignoring nothing else but "themselves". Is this the Problem?

[repulsewarrior]

Sunday, May 03, 2020
Our View: Parties show childish level of political analysis
https://cyprus-mail.com/2020/05/03/our- ... -analysis/


...indeed, it boils down to "Greeks" and Greeks, the fact that "Greeks" are no different to "Turks", when it comes to comparing Greeks and Turks, or "Turks" and Turks, in Cyprus. Who's opinion we talking about here?

...is this the Cyprus Problem? Those that recognise that Cypriots already exist, those that deny it, choosing to believe that "they" will define it and establish its existence.

...i suggest that the coming elections will be even more telling, because those who dare to fly the Flag of Cyprus, as opposed to those who treat it like a rag, despite the dysfunction that has torn them apart for decades, still represent about half the voting population on either side of the Green Line. And that they, Cypriots, may stand united and together in exposing "those", who would never stand with them.

[repulsewarrior]

Monday, April 27, 2015
Turkey Rebukes Newly-Elected Turkish Cypriot Leader
http://abcnews.go.com/International/wir ... r-30611540


...only hours the Leader (Akinci), and Erdogan is already picking a fight; tells you a lot about the situation as it really is. While Turkey denies it has any influence over the lives of Cypriots, Turkish or Greek, exactly the opposite is true. Imagine, the poor man (Akinci) interrupts his own interview on TV for a phone call he dare not let go to his voice mail.

Cyprus exists, Cypriots exist. Although Mr. Erdogan will do his best to deny it, this time I hope he is losing his grip. My hope is that a man has been elected, who has the backbone to appreciate his being, Turkish, and Cypriot, does not mean that he must be a "Turk" (and whatever that means in Erdogan's Turkey). In fact, it is Akinci who holds the power to create better intentions toward Turkey's Constitutional Reforms, by demonstrating that the Flag of Cyprus and the Flag of Turkey are equals, because they do not define "Turkishness", or "Greekness", but Universal Principals which we as Individuals, rather than Nations but as States defend.

What is needed, in my opinion is a Greek Constituency, which does not exist. If it existed, within a set of Cypriot Constituencies, a Turkish Constituency would have an equal. Like in Turkey, no equal can exist in Cyprus for its Republic. Freedom is secured by the representation of all Citizens as equals without any other distinction or discrimination. Liberty on the other hand is best expressed in both countries by recognising that at another level of government, the People as Persons, through self representation are closer to the taxes they pay, and as majorities in sustaining their distinct identities, able in demonstrating Goodwill, and Goodfaith to the minorities that live among them.

I think Mr. Akinci understands this, and Mr. Erdogan has this as a reason to be such a bully toward him. If as Mr. Eroglu described, that the election was a referendum, Cypriots have demonstrated that for the most part, they choose to be Cypriot, first.

[repulsewarrior]

…indeed only about half those Turkish in Cyprus are “Turkish”, after all these decades of having torn Cypriots apart. Then same is true with “Greeks” and Greeks.

When considering the Cyprus Problem let’s remember who was murdered and made to disappear for the most part. It was not “Greeks” and “Turks” busying themselves killing each other; those who were not “them” were their victims, for “being” Cypriot.

And let’s remember the coup that successfully removed Makarios from power, failed in less than three days. Without the support of Cypriots who were thought to be “Greeks”, but who instead remained shuttered in their homes. It was overwhelming as a fact, Greeks are not “Greeks” just because they are Greek.

It should be obvious by now that “Greeks” and “Turks” are no different, just as Greeks and Turks are no different.

And in affect the Problem is not one of Greeks vs Turks, or “Greeks” vs “Turks”, but “Greeks” and “Turks” vs Greeks and Turks.

…it is perhaps a hopeful sign that Mr. Akinci did not resign, and that he is running for re-election. I ask, does he have the courage to stand under his Flag, the one the “others” have contempt for, the Flag of Cyprus?

https://www.eurasiareview.com/05032020- ... iots-oped/

[repulsewarrior]

Tuesday, July 16, 2013
Re: interesting documentary
http://www.cyprus-forum.com/cyprus40815-50.html#p763089


...indeed, i remember Solomou, and what worried me was the total lack of discipline. it is entirely possible that what is the TA in Cyprus is a sham, compared at least to troops well trained for fighting. when Lordo goes off with his horror stories, it in essence makes the same point, only the frame of mind interprets the meaning differently. we can all be angry at the "Greeks" and the "Turks" among us, none of them are blameless, but it is an irrational extension of thought to imagine that all Greeks, and all Turks, are these extremist.

...what are the Cypriots, if they continue to remain silent, they are accessories to those who continue in their denial of a Human Race toward "winning" as Persons. ("this must stop"). there is a big difference between our Identities, as Individuals that is the Freedom we accept as Universal Principals, and Liberty. in Cyprus we have agreed to demonstrate to the rest of the world, a manner of living where there is a State, one country, with a Government which defends the Rights of all its Citizens without any distinction or discrimination as equals, and where equally, Cypriot Constituencies can, through their electorate, effect their own distinct Identities; three governing bodies (at least); (two levels of Government) this is Bi-communal.

...thus, i ask, where is the Greek Constituency? i ask, and what about the Maronites, Latins, and Armenians, do they not have an equal need to sustain themselves?

[repulsewarrior]

Tuesday, March 28, 2017
Open letter to the two leaders: re-start the talks for all our sakes
http://cyprus-mail.com/2017/03/26/open- ... lks-sakes/


There is a Flag of Cyprus. There is a Flag of Turkey. There is a Flag of Greece. I suggest that they are all equals. While Mr. Anastasiades is ridiculed at times for wearing two hats, I wish Mr. Akinci would show more heart; I have never seen a photo of him standing beside in effect his Flag as a Cypriot, the Flag of Cyprus. Indeed, if he made this challenge, to fly this Flag, because Cyprus is important to him, about half of his voting public would be prepared to support the effort if they dared to do the same; what would the Grey Wolves do? What is the challenge to ELAM, how many across the island would choose to join with him, in flying this Flag, if, he showed this courage?

One thing would become clearer though: Cypriots are the other half in what is the real debate, and it would appear that "Greeks" and "Turks" are their opposition.

More importantly, i suggest that when it comes to Constitutional Reform, what is the Problem, can be solved in Cyprus, and it may serve Turkey's needs in Turkey (emulated with that in mind,) as it serves Turkish needs in Cyprus. That is to say, that with good sense in uniting here, in Cyprus as Cypriots, it provides the impetus, in Turkey, but not just Turkey, for Peoples similarly at odds, to see despite their diversity and distinctions as identities, in a BBF (like Canada or the United States), that there exist a set of Principals, where based on them they have a reason to defend each other as Citizens. That beyond their identity as a Person, as Individuals, and as a State, they express this willingness to unite.

...it is heartening to see so many who will take the time and effort to write clearly their thoughts, for Cyprus, and for Cypriots. I too, agree, that by this time, both Leaders must now recognise, and respect the fact that Cypriots want Freedom, and that they were elected, not as "Greeks" or as "Turks", winning against this choice as a matter of fact in their respective elections.

[repulsewarrior]

Saturday, June 06, 2020
Akinci calls for clarity over checkpoint openings
https://cyprus-mail.com/2020/06/06/akin ... -openings/


...sorry, just to be more accurate tuoskrut; Tengri may be Turkish, and a Turk, but, being for "Turkishness", the dogma that has torn Cyprus apart for decades, and is now tearing Turkey itself apart, he is more accurately described, to be clear, as a "Turk". Turks are not like him.

...as a matter of fact, from a Cypriot point of view it is easy to say that "Greeks" and "Turks" are not different, they are the same, given how different they are to "us", those of us, Greek and Turkish.

Indeed, with the coming election in the occupied territories, who will win?

...so far, in Cyprus, it is not "them".

[repulsewarrior]

...indeed Cypriots demonstrated their desire for a Sovereign Cyprus on the days that followed the coup. Why else did it, after successfully removing Makarios from the Presidential Palace, fail?

...Cypriots did not support the coup overwhelmingly; that is evidence enough for me.

While the "Greeks" and "Turks" in Cyprus, hold the Agenda there is no denying that Cypriots, silenced as they are, still exist. Artificially divided, by "them", ENOSIS can only mean to them one thing, now; their unity, for Cyprus.

https://cyprus-mail.com/2020/06/14/unio ... omplished/

[repulsewarrior]

Friday, March 17, 2006
Cyprus bicommunal discussion and chat forum : Minority Status for Turkish Cypriot
http://www.talkcyprus.org/forum/viewtop ... 0373#50373
Posted: Sat Mar 18, 2006 3:50 am Post subject:

Having read the thread again, I find the idea of minority status interesting, although I never thought that it had any advantage. Still, it is a hard sell.

People want self-determination anywhere. Nations which are forthcoming in this vain, are stronger, show their tolerance and are inclusive, addressing an important need. In our context, a bureaucracy, and a government, has been formed, which potentially provides an easy solution to the problems specifically in Cyprus, the "Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus"; if the Greek community accepts to create a government which is equal to it.

The "Republic of Cyprus" needs to evolve, free from ethnic, or communal priorities. It is our identity, as a people to the EU, and to the rest of the world. A Greek community can have its minority, as the Turkish majority will convey to its minority, rights, but our central government, should be superior, with the ability to protect all the citizens equally, without compromise as individuals.

[repulsewarrior]

Monday, October 28, 2019
Turks open to peace on Cyprus
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/20 ... -on-cypru/


...indeed, whether Turkish or Greek, Cypriots have the same desire for unity, as Individuals defending the Universal Principals all Humans have come to understand as Freedom, to "be" Cypriot. Witness the recent poll in the occupied territories which demonstrates their flexibility toward having a Guarantor, other than Turkey.



...indeed, "Greeks" and "Turks" in Cyprus are also quite similar, given their intolerance toward each other, and toward Cypriots, who in affect they have been denying from them this existence, for decades.



...indeed, Turkey cannot afford a Cyprus divided for "Turkishness" and those not "Turkish", it seems, because as it is, it is Turkey that is being torn apart, by it, and for the same reasons, now. Perhaps a "new" Turkey should include Turkish Constituencies in its Constitutional reform, a BBF, as it has been suggested in Cyprus, with its own Cypriot Constituencies, and a Central Government. Persons, like Greek Cypriots and Turks, Turkish Cypriots, Kurds and the Alevi, all represent Liberty, (where as 'majorities', having at another level of government self-representation they demonstrate goodwill toward the 'minorities' that live among them), when they can agree that despite their identities as Nations they can respect and trust each other within a State that represents them all, and each one of them, as equals, in every way, without any further distinction, or discrimination.