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[repulsewarrior]

Saturday, September 29, 2012
Turkish Cypriot leader: We will drill offshore | WSLS 10
Turkish Cypriot leader: We will drill offshore | WSLS 10
http://www2.wsls.com/news/2012/sep/29/t ... r-2244846/
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...260,000 Muslim Turkish Cypriots live in the north?

hardly. by their own "census" it is far less, and needless to say citing a bigger figure includes the illegal settlers from Turkey, and the Army, in her design of making Cypriots, whether Greek or Turkish, subject to their terms.

@ Mr. Eroglu, why not stand-up for the Federal Republic as a Cypriot, ask, where is the Greek Constituency if there is a Republic and a Turkish Constituency? is Cyprus a Greek State, because the vast majority of its History and Population are Greek? or, is there a Cypriot State, because not as Persons, but as Individuals its Citizens stand united toward defending Universal Principals?

Territorial Jurisdictions could be settled as an internal matter; Bicommunal means an indivisible whole having parts (at least three governing bodies, if not one), it cannot mean simply dividing the island in two. Bizonal, as a geographic context is the same.

[Lordo]

300,000 on the lasr census and of those there are about 50,000 non-citizens. that does not make them illegal. we really need to move on with figures. if tcs were allowed to live a normal live we would have had more than 300 by now. so stop going round and round chasing your tail.

[repulsewarrior]

Monday, November 20, 2006
the liberator...has passed

Thank-you chapfallen, your comments are to the point, you make me laugh.
...I said two hundred years from now, but for now I will say, my sentiments exactly.

To compare Denktash to Ecevit is to compare the wily sparrow to the crow. But no one, has obstructed the UN in its attempts at resolution of our problem more, than Denktash. This is a credit to him, and I hope that soon, the border he chose to open will become the gateways to the end of this impasse. When civilians, mobile, enjoy the island, for all it has to give, it will be, normal.

Greek Cypriots and Turkish Cypriots are surely the same resilient people that they were over two hundred years ago, a common ground will be found where they stand united as equals.

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Cyprus: three goverments, One capital and Free.

[repulsewarrior]

Monday, February 27, 2006
Cyprus bicommunal discussion and chat forum : Agreeing the History of Cyprus
Cyprus bicommunal discussion and chat forum : Agreeing the History of Cyprus


Posted: Mon Feb 27, 2006 9:02 pm Post subject:

I have avoided discussing religion as a sense of our Cypriotness, but the same memories always come to mind.

When I was a young child, one day, with my aunt in a field of wheat, I saw strangers at a tree. I do not like walking through wheat fields as it grows, because it serves no good purpose to the wheat. "what are those strangers doing there?", I asked, and she told me the story of the tree, and how many of the trees, in that field, were planted by apostles. In my family's fields, and in my village, "how do they know they are there?", but she didn't know, "They say it is written somewhere." This is where I am from, my home, a place where the dust, is the lives of people to our Neolithic past. The point being, the name, 'Komi', is Arabic, this history is older than the village, and that, before the contemporary history, as TPap said recently, like sand cast over the island, no place, without some 'confluence' (as above in the thread), of people.

To be Cypriot, is to have an identity with God, and the greatness of this reverence, has been our ability to celebrate this oneness, together, by accepting that the future, its change, is not stopped, but embraced. This is why the culture we can identify as Cypriot has survived, till now. However in trying to define it then, I believe that Mankind has moved on from the cutting edge of 1960, yet for the same reason, we, as a people, must find a resolution which stands out, and preserves a facet of Humanity, for selfish reasons, it seems, other interlocutors ignore.

[repulsewarrior]

Monday, October 28, 2019
Turks open to peace on Cyprus
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/20 ... -on-cypru/


...indeed, whether Turkish or Greek, Cypriots have the same desire for unity, as Individuals defending the Universal Principals all Humans have come to understand as Freedom, to "be" Cypriot. Witness the recent poll in the occupied territories which demonstrates their flexibility toward having a Guarantor, other than Turkey.

...indeed, "Greeks" and "Turks" in Cyprus are also quite similar, given their intolerance toward each other, and toward Cypriots, who in affect they have been denying from them this existence, for decades.

...indeed, Turkey cannot afford a Cyprus divided for "Turkishness" and those not "Turkish", it seems, because as it is, it is Turkey that is being torn apart, by it, and for the same reasons, now. Perhaps a "new" Turkey should include Turkish Constituencies in its Constitutional reform, a BBF, as it has been suggested in Cyprus, with its own Cypriot Constituencies, and a Central Government. Persons, like Greek Cypriots and Turks, Turkish Cypriots, Kurds and the Alevi, all represent Liberty, (where as 'majorities', having at another level of government self-representation they demonstrate goodwill toward the 'minorities' that live among them), when they can agree that despite their identity as Nations they can respect and trust each other within a State that represents them all, and each one of them, as equals, in every way, without any further distinction, or discrimination.

[repulsewarrior]

...a blast from the past; you gotta read this stuff,

http://www.visionmatters.co.uk/cyprusBB ... 75176.html

cheers.

[Cap]

[Mustiejodu]

On the subject of murder. I would like to understand the Greek Cypriot way of thinking. I am on the Greek side as often as I am on the Turkish side as I am married to a British born Greek Cypriot. I do the same test on both sides and speak English when I inquire so the person I put this question thinks I am British Greek Cypriot on the South and British Turkish Cypriot in the north. When I inquire about going to the Turkish side to a GC 70% of the time I am told not to go as the Turkish soldiers kill you on that side but when I ask a TC I just get directions with no negativity. Can some one please tell me why? I can’t understand this as these are young GC who were not even born during the troubles including older people as well. Look people still come to the north and all that bull shit is exposed. Please stop saying this stuff you only make yourself look as liars. I deliberately drove my GC mate right up to a Turkish soldier standing guard and all the soldier said was hello in Turkish and I asked him directions as I want to take my friend to his dads village. I made inquiries any Turkish soldier exposed to civilians must at all times keep their weapons right down and must never show aggression or combat behaviour. Their sole purpose is to guard the gate and that’s it so those who have this phobia I can assure you it’s all absolute bull shit. I can’t say that you get the same friendly response from all GC soldiers as I have tested them as well and 70% have pure hatred for anyone that they hear speak Turkish. I saw yesterday sheer hatred from one GC soldiers eyes and he looked at us with contempt like we were animals. Even though I am married to one of your people my kids are mixed race and if anyone harmed my wife or her family I would defend them to death. They are my family but I no longer agree with a solution to Cyprus apart from total separation because you have instilled hatred into the minds of your children and we can never coexist together as long as that continues and you all know your doing this on your side. You can deny it but we all know.

[repulsewarrior]

...did i post this before?

Thursday, June 29, 2017
Turkey’s Coming Chaos

http://www.aei.org/publication/turkeys- ... ent-181164


…with a small change of intention, in Cyprus, Erdogan may well see a huge change in the confidence the international community has toward him, that now, he is the “but one”. Cyprus as an ally, and not as an adversary, is huge. In and of itself it is a huge step forward, but its significance for Turkey’s affairs would be bigger than that.

Recognising the existence of the Republic of Cyprus is not anathema to his goals in Turkey. It would in effect provide hope to all Turks. It would provide him from this logic, one Cyprus, one Turkey, one Country, a basis to reform his own Constitution, which would be easy to understand. Where, as Individuals there is no division among Turks in defending their Freedom, the Universal Principals or their Rights on which their State is based; and that while all Turks have this Freedom already, as Persons, at another level of Government, as Turks the Liberty as well, to sustain as Constituencies their own distinct identities: is this not the BBF Turkey is looking for (in Cyprus)?

While Cyprus has been torn between its “Turks” and its “Greeks”(read: not “Turks”), after all these decades, and with such a small population, Cypriots remain; this is noteworthy and hopeful. In Turkey where it is becoming as divided, it is becoming as evident, that while Cyprus cannot be “Greek”, while it may be Greek, for the same reasons, Turkey is not solely “Turkish”.

…for Erdogan to have a successful Legacy, if it is not for the “Turks”, it is for all Turks.

[repulsewarrior]

Friday, October 12, 2018
Our View: So now we want the Denktash option after all
https://cyprus-mail.com/2018/10/11/our- ... after-all/


...and what will the "Turks" give to get such a notion on the table?

Land? ...more, than half returned of what's not theirs'.
Energy Resources? ...a customer, plain and simple, for "the South's" supply.
Economy and Politics? ...no EU, the possibility of a closed border.
Military? ...no Turkish troops, an open border.
All of these things?

As such, if "Turkishness" is so important, so too the consideration that goes with it. There is a cost to pay.

The rest of us, to their satisfaction labelled "Greek", in accepting such a change should have some significant benefit, this is not hard to understand. Such as it is, even if Cypriot has a lesser value to "them" as an identity, wishing to buy out of it, it must represent, just the same, a generous offer to Cypriots: Greek, "Greek", Turkish, or other, (who are not "Turkish").

What greater enterprise is there, but a better Cyprus; this is not it.