Sunday, January 10, 2016
Cyprus as a centre for dialogue
http://in-cyprus.com/cyprus-as-a-centre-for-dialogue/
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...well said.
Cyprus is an ethnos. As such Cypriots can choose to sustain the distinct identities which make up this nature, to defend each other, to be Cooperators, a society which as Persons, and more importantly as Individuals, recognize and respect their own diversity, to adapt to a changing world in a manner which is enriching to themselves, as Cypriots, as this island's steward, and as facilitators of exchange.
At another level of Government, I can see the need for Cypriot Constituencies. Within a Federation, this right exists. While Turcophones may soon have the Liberty they have demanded for so long, such a form of self representation can only be secured by a superior element, the Federal government itself, being the Sovereign representative of Cypriots. While there will be no equal to the Turkish Constituency, its existence does not exclude the rights of Individuals, as Persons, as a Constituency, to be recognized as such at a later date.
I believe that Cypriots, may come to appreciate the opportunities they have if they are given a choice beyond the debate as it is framed, to be adversaries: what is "Turkish", what is not "Turkish" (called "Greek"); that beside a Turkish Constituency, and the Republic, a Greek Constituency could one-day exist, Maronite and Armenian Constituencies, even Latin and English, may exist as well.
Let us not forget that the world's ethnology faces larger problems with extinction than does the world's ecology. Let's not forget that despite the fact that Cypriots are overwhelmingly Greek speaking (and having Greek origins) like ninety percent of the world whose mother tongue is not English, they speak English, and fluently, on the computer for example, and in their busy lives beyond their family. Children do not necessarily see a value in learning either Greek, or Turkish, today. In my mind, to "Greeks", "Turks" may represent an immediate threat to their culture, (and vice versa) but in that regard, "English" I suggest, because it is overwhelmingly 'more' useful, is a bigger threat, if ignored, to us all.
In a world of bits and bytes, quantity counts, not just the quality of thoughts. Cyprus is one of those places in the world where one can expect to find urban dwellers who speak many languages, and who are very mobile. They clearly understand that these linguistic abilities are essential. Cypriots, in that regard, have a great opportunity to expand the relevance of their Official Languages by making them not only transparent to each other, as translation and meaning goes, but to many other languages. Such a Pedagogy will surely develop young minds who will have a strong appreciation of a mother tongue, and a capacity to communicate well, otherwise. One word in English if you will, becomes ten words or a hundred depending on the Cypriot capacity to use languages institutionally.
...i suggest it is Cypriots which will demonstrate the qualities, their respective "motherlands" (or "fatherlands") will emulate, learn from, and better themselves, by making their Language(s) open to improvement, interesting and useful as languages, to a sphere of languages, and Peoples, as a whole.
Cypriotism (Cypriot Nationalism)
Re: Cypriotism (Cypriot Nationalism)
by repulsewarrior » Wed Sep 11, 2019 7:10 pm
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Re: Cypriotism (Cypriot Nationalism)
by repulsewarrior » Thu Sep 12, 2019 5:35 am
Thursday, August 03, 2017
The dock ships came with troops and went back with refrigerators Πηγή: https://politis.com.cy/article/ta-apova ... -me-psigia
https://politis.com.cy/article/ta-apova ... -me-psigia
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...it is not Akinci who speaks this truth, more is the pity this man is the leader of Cypriots whether Greek or Turkish. More depends on him than any other as a Cypriot to act; it takes a change of his intentions.
His silence is deafening since the very day he won his election, and as the President of something he was not good enough to get his invitation to the wedding; i remember does he?
A parasite, a servant-slave, is he such a man? I ask, as such a man, a traitor, a coward, a fool, to who if not the us he should be defending?
...he, that man can save us, those of us, not "Greek" or "Turk", the other half who remain despite the odds against us, as Cypriots close to the land.
Let him remember what that Flag stands for, that it is his electors who wish him to express that it is not a rag, the Flag of Cyprus; let him challenge the rest of us to stand likewise beside it, like him willing to defend each other and the Universal Principals as Human beings, we as Cypriots represent. Let the Elams and the Grey Wolves stand alone, then. If he took that challenge for those not "them", for the rest of us, wouldn't Anastasiades follow? Only a year ago, didn't he?
...it is not the roots of a very old tree that stood in the middle of my Great Aunt's garden, because it too in the end was taken, that I despair, but that there is a shoebox somewhere.
thank-you Mr. Sener.
The dock ships came with troops and went back with refrigerators Πηγή: https://politis.com.cy/article/ta-apova ... -me-psigia
https://politis.com.cy/article/ta-apova ... -me-psigia
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...it is not Akinci who speaks this truth, more is the pity this man is the leader of Cypriots whether Greek or Turkish. More depends on him than any other as a Cypriot to act; it takes a change of his intentions.
His silence is deafening since the very day he won his election, and as the President of something he was not good enough to get his invitation to the wedding; i remember does he?
A parasite, a servant-slave, is he such a man? I ask, as such a man, a traitor, a coward, a fool, to who if not the us he should be defending?
...he, that man can save us, those of us, not "Greek" or "Turk", the other half who remain despite the odds against us, as Cypriots close to the land.
Let him remember what that Flag stands for, that it is his electors who wish him to express that it is not a rag, the Flag of Cyprus; let him challenge the rest of us to stand likewise beside it, like him willing to defend each other and the Universal Principals as Human beings, we as Cypriots represent. Let the Elams and the Grey Wolves stand alone, then. If he took that challenge for those not "them", for the rest of us, wouldn't Anastasiades follow? Only a year ago, didn't he?
...it is not the roots of a very old tree that stood in the middle of my Great Aunt's garden, because it too in the end was taken, that I despair, but that there is a shoebox somewhere.
thank-you Mr. Sener.
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Re: Cypriotism (Cypriot Nationalism)
by repulsewarrior » Sun Sep 15, 2019 8:15 pm
Saturday, June 10, 2017
Unite Cyprus Now proves the island’s potential
http://in-cyprus.com/unite-cyprus-now-p ... ment-25082
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…what is becoming clear is that “Greeks”, and “Turks”, make up the same side of the debate; Cypriots on the other. What is the fundamental flaw in this debate is being revealed. While Cypriots are intentionally ignored by the Problem, without this recognition, that they exist, there is little choice but to represent themselves.
If the leaders they elected as Cypriots cannot do more for Cypriots, rather than their “Turkishness” or not, they betray those who voted for them; this is clearer, now. Mr. Akinci must recognise that Cypriots need him to demonstrate that courage. Cypriots are Cypriots. Mr. Anastasiades, in Geneva, should not stand alone, not for “Greeks” or against them, not for “Turks” or against them, but for Cyprus, without “them”.
Unite Cyprus Now proves the island’s potential
http://in-cyprus.com/unite-cyprus-now-p ... ment-25082
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…what is becoming clear is that “Greeks”, and “Turks”, make up the same side of the debate; Cypriots on the other. What is the fundamental flaw in this debate is being revealed. While Cypriots are intentionally ignored by the Problem, without this recognition, that they exist, there is little choice but to represent themselves.
If the leaders they elected as Cypriots cannot do more for Cypriots, rather than their “Turkishness” or not, they betray those who voted for them; this is clearer, now. Mr. Akinci must recognise that Cypriots need him to demonstrate that courage. Cypriots are Cypriots. Mr. Anastasiades, in Geneva, should not stand alone, not for “Greeks” or against them, not for “Turks” or against them, but for Cyprus, without “them”.
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Re: Cypriotism (Cypriot Nationalism)
by repulsewarrior » Thu Sep 19, 2019 4:22 pm
Tuesday, February 07, 2017
Cyprus Fears Russian Meddling in Its Settlement Talks
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/05/worl ... ss&emc=rss
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Dearest Editors,
It is a big disappointment for me to have this obligation; correcting the contents of your post.
Cyprus Exists. There are such a people called Cypriots. Their Government seeks to reform itself, so that, from a Unitary state, it evolves to a Bicommunal Bizonal Federation (BBF): for their Citizens Individual Rights and Freedom without distinction or discrimination, and, as Citizens, Liberty as Persons in sustaining their own distinct identities
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…it is not so hard to understand. America is a BBF.
Can you imagine in America, that in some States, the people must contest judiciously the right to flying the American Flag? Can you imagine that by force of arms a minority takes control over a part of America, what is not “them” expelled? Can you imagine forces equal to America, other countries, when they choose to, to occupy American soil? Hard to believe, hard to accept, isn’t it?
Cypriots exist. They are the other half, as I like to call them. Let us all remember them, let us not deny their existence. That they died at the hands of “Greeks” and “Turks”, for the most part, in Cyprus, is clear, because the “Greeks” and the “Turks” were not killing each other, but those not “Greek”, not “Turkish”, for “being” Cypriot. We fail ourselves, if we betray them, and as a People their existence.
…it’s like saying, ‘Black-american’, ‘German-american’; seriously.
Your Map in this article is a very poor representation of facts. It is offensive on many levels.
My hope is that you will correct this map, (and the thinking which goes along with it,) to reflect the facts: There exists, the, Republic of Cyprus, and in the north there remains the territory, Occupied by the Turkish Army.
There are no “deals” on Universal Principals; Lest we Forget.
…"it", should stop in Cyprus; the world is not, “Turkish”, and, not “Turkish”.
yours respectfully,
Cyprus Fears Russian Meddling in Its Settlement Talks
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/05/worl ... ss&emc=rss
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Dearest Editors,
It is a big disappointment for me to have this obligation; correcting the contents of your post.
Cyprus Exists. There are such a people called Cypriots. Their Government seeks to reform itself, so that, from a Unitary state, it evolves to a Bicommunal Bizonal Federation (BBF): for their Citizens Individual Rights and Freedom without distinction or discrimination, and, as Citizens, Liberty as Persons in sustaining their own distinct identities
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…it is not so hard to understand. America is a BBF.
Can you imagine in America, that in some States, the people must contest judiciously the right to flying the American Flag? Can you imagine that by force of arms a minority takes control over a part of America, what is not “them” expelled? Can you imagine forces equal to America, other countries, when they choose to, to occupy American soil? Hard to believe, hard to accept, isn’t it?
Cypriots exist. They are the other half, as I like to call them. Let us all remember them, let us not deny their existence. That they died at the hands of “Greeks” and “Turks”, for the most part, in Cyprus, is clear, because the “Greeks” and the “Turks” were not killing each other, but those not “Greek”, not “Turkish”, for “being” Cypriot. We fail ourselves, if we betray them, and as a People their existence.
…it’s like saying, ‘Black-american’, ‘German-american’; seriously.
Your Map in this article is a very poor representation of facts. It is offensive on many levels.
My hope is that you will correct this map, (and the thinking which goes along with it,) to reflect the facts: There exists, the, Republic of Cyprus, and in the north there remains the territory, Occupied by the Turkish Army.
There are no “deals” on Universal Principals; Lest we Forget.
…"it", should stop in Cyprus; the world is not, “Turkish”, and, not “Turkish”.
yours respectfully,
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Re: Cypriotism (Cypriot Nationalism)
by repulsewarrior » Sun Sep 22, 2019 6:06 am
Thursday, May 31, 2018
Re: The Guterres framework and our sorry Leaders
cyprus46293.html#p868595
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...on the 30 June Eide presents a written "statement", which were his notes on what Guterres said.
...on 4 July, a revised "statement" was presented; which was not agreed upon.
...while Mr Akinci may have made his offer, it was by twitter?
...Mr. Anastasiades' reply suggests something more (or different) was agreed to, given that a second ''statement'' was awaited and read.
Clarity is needed.
...you may have read this thread,
cyprus46251.html#p868577
...there are very subtle indications of the bigger conflict Akinci has with Turkey; that decisive moments will come soon.
As politicians go, i have more confidence in Anastasiades, than any other potential leader in Cyprus. No sellout, he stands for the Republic of Cyprus, not "Greeks''. He gave everything to the "Turks" that they asked for at Crans Montana, no blame, no restitution, a BBF, and a map which changes very little, but the so called negotiations ''failed'', his "fault", standing alone as the President of Cyprus defending the one thing he would not give away, Sovereignty.
...beyond the Guterres framework, if it is agreed, Mr. Akinci may make clearer his intentions (talk about guts) by standing for a photograph with Mr. Anastasiades shaking hands with the Flag of Cyprus behind them. Would Mr. Anastasiades refuse? Can Erdogan stop them? It will be the "Greeks" and "Turks" who will refute its significance with their outrage, exposing themselves in this unity as the same and no different as adversaries to a Cypriot identity.
It is up to Akinci, is he Cypriot, or not? What is his Legacy as a builder, an architect, a leader, and as a man? He must have the courage to actually stand up and represent the electorate that voted for him. In simple terms if he seeks for his "community'' recognition as a Constituency, the "new" Cyprus that is put to him is not the way, it does not matter which ''statement'', June or July. He must demonstrate that he recognises, that his ideal is possible as Cypriots through constitutional reform; as Cypriots, not as "Turks", and that which is not "Turkish". In short, he can demand that the Communal Chamber is opened, (or perhaps Mr. Anastasiades should offer to do this first, another "dinner" could iron that out), that there are Greek Cypriot representatives there waiting for them (this time) in their seats. He can represent his support for what undeniably exists as a starting point, a Cypriot People. He can prepare his Constituency for the next elections in Cyprus' Legislature (in three years) with Candidates and Platforms that make a better Cyprus, for Cyprus, with this intention returning to the seats that remain empty, there. New thinking is needed indeed; new perspectives too. "Being" Cypriot is not insignificant.
...the Problem, is an International issue, and on many levels. Many would like it to be diminished to a problem among a population of Cypriots as though in any outcome Cyprus will continue to exist as a place to live. But Cyprus is not just an island, it is a People who take very seriously their responsibilities as a member of a wider Family of Man. Cyprus divided, invites Turkey's division. While "Turkishness" is as a result very present in Cyprus, after decades, it has failed. Cypriots in the occupied territories (and in Cyprus itself) continue to vote for a Leadership that is for Cypriots, a unity based on Universal Principals, as Individuals and a State, as opposed to the candidates who do(did) not recognise "Cypriotness", if you will. I would say without a doubt that what happens in Cyprus will have a big affect/effect on Turkish politics. A solution will provide in Turkey, Hope to its Turks, or its "Turks". It will have the same affect/effect throughout the region, as a template, in resolving the conflicts with this same Problem.
Re: The Guterres framework and our sorry Leaders
cyprus46293.html#p868595
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...on the 30 June Eide presents a written "statement", which were his notes on what Guterres said.
...on 4 July, a revised "statement" was presented; which was not agreed upon.
...while Mr Akinci may have made his offer, it was by twitter?
...Mr. Anastasiades' reply suggests something more (or different) was agreed to, given that a second ''statement'' was awaited and read.
Clarity is needed.
...you may have read this thread,
cyprus46251.html#p868577
...there are very subtle indications of the bigger conflict Akinci has with Turkey; that decisive moments will come soon.
As politicians go, i have more confidence in Anastasiades, than any other potential leader in Cyprus. No sellout, he stands for the Republic of Cyprus, not "Greeks''. He gave everything to the "Turks" that they asked for at Crans Montana, no blame, no restitution, a BBF, and a map which changes very little, but the so called negotiations ''failed'', his "fault", standing alone as the President of Cyprus defending the one thing he would not give away, Sovereignty.
...beyond the Guterres framework, if it is agreed, Mr. Akinci may make clearer his intentions (talk about guts) by standing for a photograph with Mr. Anastasiades shaking hands with the Flag of Cyprus behind them. Would Mr. Anastasiades refuse? Can Erdogan stop them? It will be the "Greeks" and "Turks" who will refute its significance with their outrage, exposing themselves in this unity as the same and no different as adversaries to a Cypriot identity.
It is up to Akinci, is he Cypriot, or not? What is his Legacy as a builder, an architect, a leader, and as a man? He must have the courage to actually stand up and represent the electorate that voted for him. In simple terms if he seeks for his "community'' recognition as a Constituency, the "new" Cyprus that is put to him is not the way, it does not matter which ''statement'', June or July. He must demonstrate that he recognises, that his ideal is possible as Cypriots through constitutional reform; as Cypriots, not as "Turks", and that which is not "Turkish". In short, he can demand that the Communal Chamber is opened, (or perhaps Mr. Anastasiades should offer to do this first, another "dinner" could iron that out), that there are Greek Cypriot representatives there waiting for them (this time) in their seats. He can represent his support for what undeniably exists as a starting point, a Cypriot People. He can prepare his Constituency for the next elections in Cyprus' Legislature (in three years) with Candidates and Platforms that make a better Cyprus, for Cyprus, with this intention returning to the seats that remain empty, there. New thinking is needed indeed; new perspectives too. "Being" Cypriot is not insignificant.
...the Problem, is an International issue, and on many levels. Many would like it to be diminished to a problem among a population of Cypriots as though in any outcome Cyprus will continue to exist as a place to live. But Cyprus is not just an island, it is a People who take very seriously their responsibilities as a member of a wider Family of Man. Cyprus divided, invites Turkey's division. While "Turkishness" is as a result very present in Cyprus, after decades, it has failed. Cypriots in the occupied territories (and in Cyprus itself) continue to vote for a Leadership that is for Cypriots, a unity based on Universal Principals, as Individuals and a State, as opposed to the candidates who do(did) not recognise "Cypriotness", if you will. I would say without a doubt that what happens in Cyprus will have a big affect/effect on Turkish politics. A solution will provide in Turkey, Hope to its Turks, or its "Turks". It will have the same affect/effect throughout the region, as a template, in resolving the conflicts with this same Problem.
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Re: Cypriotism (Cypriot Nationalism)
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Re: Cypriotism (Cypriot Nationalism)
by repulsewarrior » Sun Sep 29, 2019 7:47 pm
Wednesday, May 25, 2016
Anastasiades says he will not accept any downgrading of the RoC
http://cyprus-mail.com/2016/05/25/un-no ... -says-haq/
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...and where is the Flag of Cyprus with Mr. Akinci shaking hands with Mr. Ki Moon, beside them? Oh i forgot, the "President" that's not good enough to be present at his daughter's wedding, gets special treatment to be, not a Cypriot, but the "President" of somewhere else (no flags at least).
...now more than ever, Akinci needs a nerve.
Fly the Flag of Cyprus, now is a good time Mr. Akinci, hold it lovingly in your hands; that is what you were elected to do, do you remember your election day? Have courage, the other half, those of us who are, not "Greek", or, not "Turkish", we, are behind you, we are still here.
President Anastasiades said it quite correctly, and if i may remind the readers, this is not the first time that a leader of a Cypriot constituency was humiliated in the same fashion, by Mr. Erdogan; maybe not live on TV with the whole world watching like at the Grand Prix, worse this time i think, but it is still the same humiliation at a world event.
Anastasiades says he will not accept any downgrading of the RoC
http://cyprus-mail.com/2016/05/25/un-no ... -says-haq/
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...and where is the Flag of Cyprus with Mr. Akinci shaking hands with Mr. Ki Moon, beside them? Oh i forgot, the "President" that's not good enough to be present at his daughter's wedding, gets special treatment to be, not a Cypriot, but the "President" of somewhere else (no flags at least).
...now more than ever, Akinci needs a nerve.
Fly the Flag of Cyprus, now is a good time Mr. Akinci, hold it lovingly in your hands; that is what you were elected to do, do you remember your election day? Have courage, the other half, those of us who are, not "Greek", or, not "Turkish", we, are behind you, we are still here.
President Anastasiades said it quite correctly, and if i may remind the readers, this is not the first time that a leader of a Cypriot constituency was humiliated in the same fashion, by Mr. Erdogan; maybe not live on TV with the whole world watching like at the Grand Prix, worse this time i think, but it is still the same humiliation at a world event.
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Re: Cypriotism (Cypriot Nationalism)
by Mustiejodu » Tue Oct 08, 2019 8:46 pm
I bear witness to the fact Akinci is a true Cypriot in mind and heart far more than the Greek Cypriot leader will ever be. He truly believes we are all Cypriot. I remember him coming to the UK 30 years ago and I was sitting at a Turkish Cypriot night held at a banqueting hall in totenhamm London. He was one of the political guests and he made a speech at the time when I had let’s say a far less liberal mind or tolerance to GCs. His speech was about equality with the GCs and being together again which at the time angered me to an extent a lot of us was swearing and booing him and in fact I recall one of my friends threw tomatoes at him. He is the real deal here and to unify Cyprus he must be involved in the process as he has honest and genuine intensions but unfortunately he reminds me a bit like Jeromy Corbin. They are both socialists and far better at being a activist then a politician. Problem is they are amongst the wolves like Erdogan, Johnson, Anastasiades Etc etc
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Re: Cypriotism (Cypriot Nationalism)
by repulsewarrior » Wed Oct 09, 2019 6:52 pm
...indeed, it is because i have such high hope, for him, that i am so hard in my observations. If he is a Cypriot, he, must denounce "Greeks, and "Turks", instead of waiting for Anastasiades to do it, he must take a clear stand, all Cypriots can respect, instead of allowing, "Turks", and "Greeks", to assassinate his character.
cheers.
...it is not the "Turks" he speaks for, or is it? Since his election victory, and the angry phone call, has he changed?
cheers.
...it is not the "Turks" he speaks for, or is it? Since his election victory, and the angry phone call, has he changed?
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Re: Cypriotism (Cypriot Nationalism)
by B25 » Wed Oct 09, 2019 10:29 pm
repulsewarrior wrote:...indeed, it is because i have such high hope, for him, that i am so hard in my observations. If he is a Cypriot, he, must denounce "Greeks, and "Turks", instead of waiting for Anastasiades to do it, he must take a clear stand, all Cypriots can respect, instead of allowing, "Turks", and "Greeks", to assassinate his character.
cheers.
...it is not the "Turks" he speaks for, or is it? Since his election victory, and the angry phone call, has he changed?
Why the fuck do you keep bringing Greeks i to this. They are not holding us to ransom, they don’t illegally occupy our lands, they never raped our women or killed thousands of us, the fucking stinking Turkish cunts did all that. So who the fuck is the real victim here. Hade assirktir and STFU about the Greeks.
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