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[repulsewarrior]

What would happen if someone decided to fly the Greek Flag in the occupied north?

…point is, this is Cyprus, if you are Cypriot, the Flag of Cyprus, is our flag.

https://cyprus-mail.com/2015/04/15/flag ... stasiades/

[kurupetos]

What would happen if someone decided to fly the Greek Flag in the occupied north?

…point is, this is Cyprus, if you are Cypriot, the Flag of Cyprus, is our flag.

https://cyprus-mail.com/2015/04/15/flag ... stasiades/

Any GC or TC has the constitutional right to fly the Greek or Turkish flag, respectively.

BTW, that's the old Cypriot flag.

[repulsewarrior]

http://www.cyprus-forum.com/cyprus37424-10.html#p711361

Viewpoint wrote:


Viva la Enosis with Turkey.

...indeed, Cyprus and Turkey need to be allied, joined in a common cause. if the EU is a great experiment toward lasting peace, it is Turkey where a frontier is best established, so too Cyprus. enosis, as OP said, is not a bad word.

...your point is not well taken, perhaps, although it is ironically food for thought. "Greekness" (looking West) is taken as the Democratic Value where as Citizens we are equally involved in bettering our lives as a whole. "Turkishness" (looking East), i take to mean the Ottomans, who sucked the life out of the glorious Arabic civilization, and all its Peoples, not unlike their work ies stin poli, and Cyprus which became a backwater. certainly modern Turkey is not the ideal of Ataturk, it is the Kemalists who see people as Turkish from their "Turkishness", that fails this great State to benefit their Nation.

...as i've said many times before vp, and i hope you think about it, this is not a Greek/Turkish issue, it is a not a "Greek"/"Turkish" issue either, it is a "Greek", "Turkish"/ Greek, Turkish issue.

we, being the vanguard vp, that is to say as a Citizen of the World, should act accordingly.

[repulsewarrior]

Monday, June 26, 2017
Turkey's Identity Crisis

https://www.theatlantic.com/internation ... e-comments

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...the answer is in Cyprus. A divided Cyprus will mean a divided Turkey.

One Cyprus, One Turkey

If Cyprus is not "Greek", Turkey may be Turkish, but for the same reasons not "Turkish". Indeed, there are Turkish Constituencies in Turkey, as there are Cypriot Constituencies. A country like America, or Canada, or Australia, are BBF's (Bicommunal, Bizonal Federations), let's not forget. While one may detest their sensibilities, such a political system demonstrates its own success as a system.

Who can imagine Turkey torn into parts? It is unnatural in Cyprus, as well.

Erdogan has a Legacy to build. With a small change of intention, he may recognise Cyprus for what it is, a State, not unlike his own, because it is in need of reform. He may recognise that neither a "new" Cyprus, or a "new" Turkey are the key to this Legacy he has worked so hard for, if it means dividing Turks. He may recognise that Freedom is a question of Individual Rights, based on Universal Principals, that all Citizens, by their own choosing, defend without distinction or discrimination.

And what of the Alevi, what of the Kurds, what of the Greek Orthodox Church, what of the other Muslim Faiths, the Latins and the Jews, what of the Atheists? He may realise that Liberty, is a tolerance, a recognition, and a respect, for Persons as Persons, these people can live with as well. What is for Turkey, if it is for all Turks, not just its "Turks", is far more complex and very simple. I will remain Hopeful.

...many great observations, enjoyed the article; thanks.

[repulsewarrior]

Saturday, June 08, 2019
Akinci says lifting US arms embargo would affect peace efforts
https://cyprus-mail.com/2019/06/07/akin ... e-efforts/

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...indeed, Cyprus represents the biggest threat to the notion of ''Turkishness''; Bigger than the threats from Kurds, Bigger than Turkey's preoccupation with Syria, Iraq, and Iran. It is their "National" concern. It is not the oil and gas, it is not the "Greeks" which need to be brought to bear in Turkey's ambitions, it is the Western world: if "they" submit to threats. Yet, in Cyprus, there remain Turkish Cypriots, who will not be subjugated by this ideal, as "Turks" devoted to Turkey, because they are Cypriots. Thus, they are the first, among many, and the last resistance to this intention, that Turkey rules supreme in this sea.

Cyprus is small, it is the cross-road to three Continents.

Who voted for Mr. Akinci; the "Turks"? He should not be so casual about his position as a Cypriot; being Turkish. While the arms embargo, if it is lifted, only returns Cyprus to a normal position, Turkey has the intention to aim the S-400 missiles she will receive, southward, toward Cyprus and the sea. While lives are lost, if they are used, i ask, to what end? Indeed it is those few, his voters, he ignores, that he sees no worry in that. But for the decades that such Cypriots suffer (as well,) with a "Turkish" Agenda, i would not call them heroes. That they still exist, only reinforces such an identity, Turks, not "Turks"; having a wider identity, Citizens of the World, calling themselves Cypriots.

...isolated, Akinci is. He must decide, silence, or as a Cypriot speak. I ask, what Legacy, speaking as a "Turk"?

[repulsewarrior]

Saturday, March 04, 2006
Cyprus bicommunal discussion and chat forum : British Bases/1974
Cyprus bicommunal discussion and chat forum : British Bases/1974


Posted: Sat Mar 04, 2006 6:23 pm Post subject:

I beleive we all know the expression, "unsinkable aircaft carrier". All of us, I believe, know that the interests of all the interlocutors, then, as it is now, are best served by a divided island, in a state, where the island dwellers stay divided, to represent not each other, but only their own interests.

Cypriots, a people who have survived millenia, did not survive the wrong, originally thwarted by Makarios with his change of view, and the resulting, realisation of the Republic of Cyprus in 1960, a sovereign state representing all its citizens.

Who is the victim, ourselves, evey single person on this planet, if we allow Cypriots to be forgotten, by ignoring their peaceful existence, before thay were divided to suit the needs of other National entities, into Greek Cypriots and Turkish Cypriots, rather than Cypriots who are Turcophone or Grecophone, with different needs, but sharing the same principals, that all people share everywhere equally.

[repulsewarrior]

Friday, August 18, 2017
Turkish democracy might be dead — and things could soon get a lot worse

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/dem ... f51f8b323c


...i still have hope.

A Legacy for Turkey and all the Turkish People, or he may make his Legacy for "Turkishness"; these the choices, it seems to me.

Despite the odds, or because of them, Erdogan can change his intentions in a minute.

...think for a moment; what has "Turkishness" brought us: an island divided in two, now Turkey divided more than ever.

This is the Problem, Turkey's problem, it starts in Cyprus because what divides Cyprus divides Turkey.

...recall that the USA is a BBF, so too Canada, and Australia, as other examples. It is the Intentions which count.

Cyprus exists except for the "but one", why? Like in Cyprus, about half the population is "them" (read: "Greek" or "Turk" as one in the same). They hold the Agenda, and while there is much suffering, it is not "them" who suffer, it is those not "them", Greeks and/or Turks (read: anyone of another description). Decades pass, "Turkishness" grows badly tearing at the fabric there is toward more crisis.

But nothing lasts forever, and Erdogan knows this. Recognising the Republic of Cyprus is a choice, if it means that at another level of government there exists self-representation for Turkish Cypriots as Persons, it may mean in Turkey that Turks and not only "Turks" could have Liberty. A Cyprus, an equal to Turkey, an ally, is not anathema to his plans, it may consolidate them. Indeed, it gives hope to Turks who are not "Turkish", a Cyprus reunited, and it may serve as a template for Turkey's own Constitutional Reform.

It is Mr Akinci therefore, who holds the key to Freedom in Turkey, i think. If instead of representing "Turkishness" he represents himself as a Cypriot, a Constituency's Leader, he may suffer Mr. Erdogan's ire, but this may inspire him as well. I hope Mr. Akinci remembers who voted for him, it was not the "Turks" but Cypriots who are Turkish. And in Turkey, (for a BBF,) Turks need this debate as well.

He, Erdogan, may say one day, One Country, One Cyprus, One Turkey.

[repulsewarrior]

Thursday, August 03, 2017
The dock ships came with troops and went back with refrigerators Πηγή: https://politis.com.cy/article/ta-apova ... -me-psigia

https://politis.com.cy/article/ta-apova ... -me-psigia


...it is not Akinci who speaks this truth, more is the pity this man is the leader of Cypriots whether Greek or Turkish. More depends on him than any other as a Cypriot to act; it takes a change of his intentions.

His silence is deafening since the very day he won his election, and as the President of something he was not good enough to get his invitation to the wedding; i remember does he?

A parasite, a servant-slave, is he such a man? I ask, as such a man, a traitor, a coward, a fool, to who if not the us he should be defending?

...he, that man can save us, those of us, not "Greek" or "Turk", the other half who remain despite the odds against us, as Cypriots close to the land.

Let him remember what that Flag stands for, that it is his electors who wish him to express that it is not a rag, the Flag of Cyprus; let him challenge the rest of us to stand likewise beside it, like him willing to defend each other and the Universal Principals as Human beings, we as Cypriots represent. Let the Elams and the Grey Wolves stand alone, then. If he took that challenge for those not "them", for the rest of us, wouldn't Anastasiades follow? Only a year ago, didn't he?

...it is not the roots of a very old tree that stood in the middle of my Great Aunt's garden, because it too in the end was taken, that I despair, but that there is a shoebox somewhere.

thank-you Mr. Sener.

[repulsewarrior]

Saturday, April 08, 2017
Cyprus: Lawmakers amend law ensuring peace talks restart
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/eu ... 2ca6e51f7a


...a small minority had their day in the Legislature, and Mr Akinci was appalled.

...i remind the readership who elected these men, Mr. Anastasiades, and Mr. Akinci; certainly not the "Greeks" or the "Turks", they have their own Candidates, but, the other half, who do not have this compulsive need to deny as Cypriots, they are Cypriots.

It is clear who Mr. Anastasiades represents with his words and deeds, witness these efforts, something more than "Greekness". Will Mr. Akinci demonstrate the same courage against an opposition just as "Turkish", the same but not "Greek"; will he demonstrate to Cypriots something beyond "Turkishness", now?

I suggest from the day he was elected, with that angry phone call he got, that he has a lot to prove to have a lasting Legacy as a Cypriot. I dare him to stand beside the Flag of Cyprus for one thing (the "Greeks" have a Flag, the "Turks" have a Flag, and most certainly "they" both have an aversion to the Cypriot Flag), i dare him to go against that "Turkish" thinking, to state quite clearly, that such a Person exists, a Cypriot, Greek or Turkish perhaps (there are several Cypriot Constituencies), that such a State exists, in need of reform for many reasons, but where as Individuals, Citizens are willing to defend each other without any further distinction or discrimination.

...i remind the readership that the USA is a BBF, so is Canada, something the "Turks" should consider for their own reform, in Turkey.

Indeed, there are Cypriots they exist, let's not forget, them. It is up to Mr. Akinci, now, to demonstrate that he is a Cypriot.

[repulsewarrior]

http://www.peace-cyprus.org/Memories/Labor/

The Common Labour Struggles of Greek and Turkish Cypriots
(Events Through History)