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[repulsewarrior]

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..if we want a Constitution that Turkey will accept, it must be good for Turkey.

While Cyprus remains one of Turkey's National issues, Cypriots may consider how the example Cypriots demonstrate, provides hope to those in Turkey who feel the same sense of subjugation imposed on them by "Turks", their zeal to define (the world, and) themselves by their dogma, for "Turkishness" alone.

In Cyprus, (and in Turkey) there is the need to recognise that, as Individuals, without further distinction or discrimination, by defending the Universal Principals, and the Rule of Law that goes beyond Peoples, Cypriots secure their Freedom.

A Republic of Cyprus exists for this purpose, but in need of reform.

Liberty is another matter, where in Turkey as in Cyprus, there is as well as Persons, the need for mutual trust and respect, recognition, and a facilitation, for these distinct identities through self-representation a means to sustain themselves with their own Agenda. And, by having this capacity, demonstrating in effect their Goodwill, in such a Jurisdictional territory, toward their minorities by providing for their special needs, as a majority.

A BBF in Turkey, may result in its own Constitutional Reform.

...one Cyprus, like one Turkey, should not be hard to understand.

https://cyprus-mail.com/2018/12/11/rift ... sh-vision/

[DrCyprus]

Ok, so, let's say we take one of those islets in the middle of nowhere and we take 5 Greek Cypriots and 5 Turkish Cypriots and make a survivor type reality show out of it. Everyone would watch that shit.

[kurupetos]

Ok, so, let's say we take one of those islets in the middle of nowhere and we take 5 Greek Cypriots and 5 Turkish Cypriots and make a survivor type reality show out of it. Everyone would watch that shit.

After the first week the TCs will request Turkey's intervention...

[repulsewarrior]

...welcome Ms. Garber.

While you evaluate Cyprus, and Cypriots, with feet on the ground, i hope that you will always remember, who needs your help. "Greeks" and "Turks", there are a plenty almost identical in their plaint; and the other half, who do not believe in their (or this politic) politics but are the victim of it: this is the Cyprus Problem, far more complex, though it is not framed this way.

...and let's not forget, that while Cyprus is divided decades, "Turkishness", now, divides Turkey. That while Cyprus remains a National issue for Turkey, a unified Cyprus provides an example that in their own Constitutional reform, Turkey may emulate. A divided Cyprus, will only secure, in Turkey, greater division.

Cyprus is small, but not insignificant, it is a cross-road for three Continents,and it is the balance of power, without which Turkey would rule this sea. Russia may have its influence on the island, Cyprus in effect is non-aligned. The influence other world players have, like America, and Britain, Israel, Egypt, and Greece, Qatar, Italy, Korea, and France, offers all of them, at least on this issue, the Problem, the opportunity to demonstrate unity, for Cypriots, and Freedom.

Cypriots over the millennium have survived by being the facilitators of exchange. It should not be any different today. Their betrayal, to tear this island apart, only serves to deprive Humanity of this Heritance, a People who for so long have greeted other people with charity, humility, and grace. As an 'honest broker', Cypriots can feel a certain confidence today, what with the progress they've seen in that regard, despite the recent past ; except with the "but one".

...heady days ahead, what some would call interesting; for Cyprus, for Freedom, the region, good luck

https://cyprus-mail.com/2019/01/03/next ... he-senate/

[repulsewarrior]

@MT..."yes, "Kurds" and Kurds, i ask, are you a "Turk"? And if not, what have you against Kurds? They are oppressed in Turkey, not unlike what is happening to Cypriots, (and let's not forget the Alevi), thanks to "Turkishness", divided. Indeed, the Problem, is very complex.

But, i have hope. With a small change in intention, Erdogan may leave a great, and lasting, Legacy; for Turks, all Turks, (and God), if it is in "Turkishness", to show Grace.

One Syria, One Turkey, is not so hard to understand. One Cyprus, One Turkey, is also for the same reasons not hard to understand.

My hope is that a united Cyprus, a home for those who love this island as Cypriots, will offer to Turkey the guidance it needs in its own Constitutional reform, a BBF, like Canada, or the United States of America.

...this may happen quickly, in Cyprus, Hope.

Nothing provides for him a better opportunity to improve the esteem he has from other world leaders. I imagine Turkey stronger for it, all the more reason to turn Cyprus the adversarial equal for so long, into an ally and, a friend.

Recognition of Cyprus, the Republic as it exists, and that it seeks to reform itself, is key. As in Turkey, (and Syria,) one People, united in defending the Universal Principals of their State, their Freedom. Diverse as Persons, and in their self-representation, respect and trust, toward their own minorities in providing for their special needs, defending their Liberty as one.

...indeed, Erdogan may show, the way.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/07/opin ... 9:30056974

...message to Mr. Erdogan.

[Cap]

[repulsewarrior]

Erdogan makes new threats against Cyprus
https://cyprus-mail.com/2018/12/02/erdo ... st-cyprus/

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...i disagree, that there is no hope. Despite the efforts of those "Turkish" over decades, to assimilate Turkish Cypriots, they remain. Let's not forget Akinci's election, or the last elections for the Legislature; in both cases, it was not the "Turks" that won.

Akinci may have his own plan b, but he must decide if, he is a "Turk" or Turkish; who he will betray, he cannot be both. He, can stand beside the Flag of Cyprus, he can recognise that while he stands as the president of a constituent state, it is not an equal to the State. While as a Person, he may seek to sustain his distinct identity, he may express this fact too, that being Bicommunal, being an Individual as well, he is Cypriot and willing to reform (this State). Who at that point would be exposed? Who could deny that such a notion secures for Cypriots their identity? Who would be against it? Erdogan?

Erdogan may change his intentions too because the "Turkishness" that has divided Cyprus all these years, is now tearing Turkey itself apart. One Flag in Turkey, one Flag in Cyprus, is not so hard to understand. And what is wrong with a BBF in Turkey? Perhaps things are the other way around. It is not Turkey that will change Cyprus' identity, Cyprus will change Turkey's.

[repulsewarrior]

http://www.visionmatters.co.uk/cyprusBB ... t6375.html

...does anyone remember?

[repulsewarrior]

Sunday, June 18, 2017
A Turkish Cypriot president would be in office not in power

http://cyprus-mail.com/2017/06/18/turki ... not-power/

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...three votes. When voting the elector chooses from three slates, electing a Turkish Cypriot Representative, a Greek Cypriot Representative, and for a Lower House, an Independent Representative (without Party affiliation).

If a leader could win a majority in a Legislature evenly split as seats Turkish and Greek, Parties, to win the leadership would necessarily fill all the slates toward that end. It would be in effect impossible to win such a House, without a majority of Cypriots in any case. Parties would necessarily have to present Platforms that their voters would consider as Individuals, not just as Persons. A Turkish Cypriot, as President, or a Greek Cypriot as President would be just as likely, and based on merit.

...and what of the demographics of the island? Is it believable that any 'number' chosen to represent some 'fair' split now will be as valid in the future? Why should it matter? Who is represented and how will minorities be given their recognition and respect in such as State if "Greekness" and "Turkishness" are fixed to some bloodline? Indeed it is far more complex, (or far simpler, either way) the issue is not one of "Greekness" or "Turkishness" but the Universal Principals we demonstrate, as Cypriots that we are willing to defend. (and allow me to add, there is no shame in "being" Cypriot)

Cypriot Constituencies may exist. They have the potential of being several as a sum. It is clear that a Turkish Constituency is prepared to demonstrate the value of such political representation, as Persons, specifically to nurture this Identity. Embracing this change, for Cyprus, the existence of distinct identities, within a Cyprus where Cypriots express no discrimination or distinction between themselves as Cypriots, is the BBF which offers to Individuals and Persons, their Freedom and Liberty respectively.

Cyprus has a Republic, a State. If it is to have a Turkish Constituency, i ask where are its equals? I ask, Cypriots, as Persons, would they, as Cypriot Constituencies, not have the same needs in sustaining their own diversity, that which makes them vital? Wouldn't they be more effective in sustaining their distinct identities through self-representation if in representing themselves there was a similar debate, as a 'majority' which may have different interests competing for attention, but always aware and mindful that there exists a 'minority' with its own special needs they must nurture as well? Wouldn't a Federal Government in this scheme of things be seen to be free of its present bias in securing a Cypriot their Freedom, and this Liberty, in setting a standard and goals?

...I ask, why not within this Republic, at another level of Government, as well, a Greek Constituency (and others)?

Could Mr. Akinci recognise the existence of the Republic (and work toward its reform), if the representative of a Greek Constituency was duly elected, and not the President of the Republic? Is it possible for the President to remove himself from the discussions, so that when the Constituencies are in unanimity they may discuss the State's Constitutional reform with him? Mr. Akinci must demonstrate in Switzerland in a few days something more than a "Turkish" view to claim he is a Cypriot, imho.

Some may recall the Communal Chamber and why it failed, while the intention remains. One may also recall that while "Greeks" and "Turks" were busy doing their killings, it was not other "Greeks" and "Turks", it was Cypriots for not being "Them", who were murdered and made to disappear. That while the coup succeeded, removing Makarios from office it failed because there were so few "Greeks" on the island supporting it. And, I remind the readership that Cypriots have existed for millennia as Cypriots. In any case, Cypriots cannot be denied the same basic principals any Human being has to being Cypriots. It would be a despicable thing if Cypriots cannot call themselves Cypriots to satisfy these same people who deny the existence of their Flag, the Flag of Cyprus, under which so many have died for at their hands already.

...a Cyprus divided, is a Turkey divided; it is something to think about. A "new" Cyprus, is not the answer, like a "new" Turkey i believe, they are likely to divide these populations further. The Problem is not exclusively a Cyprus Problem; witness how the same "Turkishness" has divided Turkey. Yet Cyprus is small in population; one hopes that this is an advantage in its own Constitutional reform. That while Turkish Cypriots look to Turkey for guidance, I suggest it should be the other way around; that while Turkey is in this state of reform it is all the more valid to think differently. That if, Cyprus is not "Greek", Turkey is not "Turkish" for the same reasons. That as a Constituency what can be gained being Cypriot, offers the same hope to the Kurds, and the Alevi, (not "Turks", but Turks) for example in Turkey. That this same hope, in a Cypriot way, makes it clearer, what is an Individual, what is a Person, what is a Nation, what is a State, what is Freedom, what is Liberty; and from a Unitary State exclusively, to a BBF, Cypriots, by changing themselves in this way may possibly change the political landscape throughout the region, being the "perfect" solution sought after for so long, because it is practical, it promotes respect among all Peoples, it is held in so much high esteem, (it is the solution to Turkey's Problem), and it is something which can be emulated.

It is wrong for Turkish Cypriots to think that they are weak and impotent; but as "Turks" they are.

...cheers, Mr. Alper.

...the article is worth reading.

[repulsewarrior]

Wednesday, April 12, 2017
Cyprus reunification talks restart, tough challenges ahead
http://abcnews.go.com/International/wir ... d-46721684

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...just an update for your readers; Easter this Sunday, and the "government" in the occupied north, in Cyprus, has refused these religious services to take place.

While their demands were met with the Legislature of Cyprus demonstrating that it is Cypriot, and not "Greek" alone, those "Turkish", feel no need to demonstrate their own commitment as Human beings, to Universal Principals. In affect they are the same, without these changes they are the "Greeks" their equals and on the same side, from a Cypriot's point of view.

...what comes around goes around. Mr. Akinci has no more excuses, if he is Cypriot he has an ally. If he is Cypriot he will see, now, that the "Turks" have no need for his representation; Cypriots do. In any case, what's clear is that he was elected by Cypriots, as was Mr. Anastasiades, the "Greeks" and the "Turks" had their own candidates that they voted for.

One Cyprus, Freedom. And within Cypriot Constituencies, Liberty. A BBF, should not be hard to understand, both Canada and the USA are BBFs. Who can imagine America divided as the "Turks" demand? Who can imagine Turkey divided this way? Indeed, a Cyprus divided, is a Turkey divided. Solving the Cyprus Problem is a big step forward toward solving Turkey's Problem. It will do a lot to help in other conflicts too, where people have an Identity as Individuals, as well as one of choice, of being a Person.

It is Akinci who holds Turkey's fate in his hands, in my mind, not the other way around, if he has the courage to stand up against the Turkey Erdogan is defining, now that for the first time, two Cypriots may sit at a table to discuss their affairs as Cypriots, he may be the one offering Turks a way to look forward.